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Posted on 12/14/11 at 11:04 pm to shrevetigertom
"IN HIS DEFENSE..."
Are you F'ing kidding me?
Are you F'ing kidding me?
Posted on 12/14/11 at 11:08 pm to airbornetiger
I sat through the Tepper years in Tiger stadium. Everytime we would put together a drive and score, the other team would come back and score in like 4 plays. Like clockwork.
Posted on 12/14/11 at 11:40 pm to burgeman
quote:
I have heard of the horrors of his defense but I was too young to remember how it worked.
The scheme was a lot of LSU's defensive players on the sidelines after they gave up a TD going over defensive plays on a VAT board with Tepper. Tepper's look was frustration and the LSU defenders' look was confusion! The outcome was oil and water. It didn't mix!
Buz
This post was edited on 12/14/11 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 12/15/11 at 1:32 am to FreddieMac
quote:
I remembered a lot of zone. Zero blitzes, and the idea was the players would diagnose the play and stop it
You realize this is completely contradictory right? A zero blitz is an all out attack (not a read and react) play and you don't zone if you are running a zero blitz
Posted on 12/15/11 at 2:11 am to KBeezy
The thinking at the time was that not only had Tepper fooled himself by creating a defense built around a drop linebacker position that only a rare all pro type player like Hardy could play, but that it also only worked because Hardy(at Illinois) was playing against slow Big 10 offenses.
That not even a freak of nature like Hardy at LB could cover SEC slot receivers like Florida/Spurrier was killing us with. Plus we had Dunson's instead of Hardys.
Plus Tepper really did say after the first disastrous year that "well, it takes 4-5 years to totally learn my defense". Tiger fans responded by saying that that meant that graduating seniors would finally learn the defense by the last game of their career then.
That not even a freak of nature like Hardy at LB could cover SEC slot receivers like Florida/Spurrier was killing us with. Plus we had Dunson's instead of Hardys.
Plus Tepper really did say after the first disastrous year that "well, it takes 4-5 years to totally learn my defense". Tiger fans responded by saying that that meant that graduating seniors would finally learn the defense by the last game of their career then.
Posted on 12/15/11 at 7:08 am to burgeman
it was a LB-centric D. problem is, in the 97 season, we basically played 4-2-5 (3 safeties) because we didn't have enough LBs. he actually took over before the 97 Indy Bowl and installed his D, and it worked well. ppl were optimistic.
then came 98. despite some good talent at each level of the D, we sucked. CBs played waaaaay off the WRs, and the pass rush just always seemed a step slow.
this is SI's preview of our 98 team: LINK
crazy that the D was so bad, given that it had some talent on hand.
then came 98. despite some good talent at each level of the D, we sucked. CBs played waaaaay off the WRs, and the pass rush just always seemed a step slow.
this is SI's preview of our 98 team: LINK
crazy that the D was so bad, given that it had some talent on hand.
Posted on 12/15/11 at 7:55 am to burgeman
Hey, if Les goes to the Dolphins, we can have a grand reunion.
Bring back:
Curley Hallman HC
Gary Crowton OC
Lou Tepper DC
Bring back:
Curley Hallman HC
Gary Crowton OC
Lou Tepper DC
Posted on 12/15/11 at 8:04 am to rjokerlsu
quote:
Here is something most Tiger fans can relate to--Tepper on defense was the equivilant to Gary Crowton on offense.
Ohhhh!!! I get it now! Great comparison... I remember that time in the LSU dark ages, and your so right, it was just like Crowtons O, alot of confusion and hesitation...
This post was edited on 12/15/11 at 8:06 am
Posted on 12/15/11 at 8:07 am to burgeman
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but I was too young to remember how it worked.
Consider yourself lucky. It was a frustrating time to be a fan. So close to returning to respectability....so close. That defense was worse than Crowtons offense.
Posted on 12/15/11 at 8:21 am to RogerTheShrubber
Great Christmas gift
Lou's book is on sale for $13.45!!!!
Man this discussion brings back memories of losing in Tiger Stadium and the other team celebrating in the South End Zone. Made me so sick at the time that I was about to turn in my tickets.
Lou's book is on sale for $13.45!!!!
Man this discussion brings back memories of losing in Tiger Stadium and the other team celebrating in the South End Zone. Made me so sick at the time that I was about to turn in my tickets.
Posted on 12/15/11 at 8:28 am to jmac63
quote:
Lou's book is on sale for $13.45!!!!
Man this discussion brings back memories of losing in Tiger Stadium and the other team celebrating in the South End Zone. Made me so sick at the time that I was about to turn in my tickets.
They are also throwing in a free bowl of soup with every purchase of his book during the Christmas season.
Posted on 12/15/11 at 8:39 am to burgeman
Hard to say. It was a 3-4 react defense. It was terrible, every QB we played seemed to have a career day against us. I think Quincy Carter had 1 incomplete pass the entire game in 1998. 
Posted on 12/15/11 at 8:50 am to burgeman
It's 1998 versus Kentucky... Tiger Stadium had earlier in the season already witnessed some nobody named Quincy Carter look like the second coming of Joe Montana.
The defense is getting ripped regularly all season.... we're asked to be patient as the players learn to read and react.
This game is no different... the defense is getting ripped to the tune of almost 600 yards.
The defense is on the sidelines BEGGING Lou Tepper to stop the read and react crap and let them ATTACK... to no avail.
And yet, very late, Herb Tyler scores on a run to tie the score 36-36. At last the Tigers have momentum!
The Wildcats get the kickoff... Jarvis Green makes a tackle for loss on first down... he didn't read and react, he just did it. Kentucky calls a draw on second down that goes nowhere.
So, here it is... about a minute left, game tied, Kentucky on 3rd and long deep in their own territory. If EVER was a time that "read and react" should work it's NOW, on 3rd and 12.
What happens next probably dooms both Tepper and DiNardo.
In one of the stupidest offensive playcalls ever in the history of Tiger Stadium, Hal Mumme calls a wide receiver reverse. Say what? If EVER there was a play for which "read and react" is designed it's a reverse! Mumme is playing right into Tepper's hands. Stupid, Hal, stupid.
But wait! OMG... it goes for about 40 yards because everybody on defense is out of position. Kentucky would then kick a field goal to win as time expired.
The defense is getting ripped regularly all season.... we're asked to be patient as the players learn to read and react.
This game is no different... the defense is getting ripped to the tune of almost 600 yards.
The defense is on the sidelines BEGGING Lou Tepper to stop the read and react crap and let them ATTACK... to no avail.
And yet, very late, Herb Tyler scores on a run to tie the score 36-36. At last the Tigers have momentum!
The Wildcats get the kickoff... Jarvis Green makes a tackle for loss on first down... he didn't read and react, he just did it. Kentucky calls a draw on second down that goes nowhere.
So, here it is... about a minute left, game tied, Kentucky on 3rd and long deep in their own territory. If EVER was a time that "read and react" should work it's NOW, on 3rd and 12.
What happens next probably dooms both Tepper and DiNardo.
In one of the stupidest offensive playcalls ever in the history of Tiger Stadium, Hal Mumme calls a wide receiver reverse. Say what? If EVER there was a play for which "read and react" is designed it's a reverse! Mumme is playing right into Tepper's hands. Stupid, Hal, stupid.
But wait! OMG... it goes for about 40 yards because everybody on defense is out of position. Kentucky would then kick a field goal to win as time expired.
Posted on 12/15/11 at 8:53 am to Rex
The scheme was easy:
Start Thomas Dunson.
Leave Brady James and Trev Faulk on the bench.
Start Thomas Dunson.
Leave Brady James and Trev Faulk on the bench.
Posted on 12/15/11 at 8:53 am to Rex
God I forgot about that reverse play. Lou Tepper was awful, just awful. Dinardo hiring his friends to be his assistants was his downfall.
Posted on 12/15/11 at 8:54 am to FreddieMac
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fricking Awful! Have players watch as they gave up lots of yards and touchdowns.
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Posted on 12/15/11 at 8:58 am to burgeman
If I remember correctly it took 3-4 years to learn the system
Posted on 12/15/11 at 9:08 am to Rex
quote:
It's 1998 versus Kentucky... Tiger Stadium had earlier in the season already witnessed some nobody named Quincy Carter look like the second coming of Joe Montana.
The defense is getting ripped regularly all season.... we're asked to be patient as the players learn to read and react.
This game is no different... the defense is getting ripped to the tune of almost 600 yards.
The defense is on the sidelines BEGGING Lou Tepper to stop the read and react crap and let them ATTACK... to no avail.
And yet, very late, Herb Tyler scores on a run to tie the score 36-36. At last the Tigers have momentum!
The Wildcats get the kickoff... Jarvis Green makes a tackle for loss on first down... he didn't read and react, he just did it. Kentucky calls a draw on second down that goes nowhere.
So, here it is... about a minute left, game tied, Kentucky on 3rd and long deep in their own territory. If EVER was a time that "read and react" should work it's NOW, on 3rd and 12.
What happens next probably dooms both Tepper and DiNardo.
In one of the stupidest offensive playcalls ever in the history of Tiger Stadium, Hal Mumme calls a wide receiver reverse. Say what? If EVER there was a play for which "read and react" is designed it's a reverse! Mumme is playing right into Tepper's hands. Stupid, Hal, stupid.
But wait! OMG... it goes for about 40 yards because everybody on defense is out of position. Kentucky would then kick a field goal to win as time expired.
Good post. It reminded me of the fact that our offense averaged 37 points a game that year and we gave up more than that and finished like 4-7. It was awful and it seemed that Dinardo and Tepper just couldn't see how bad it actually was. It eventually cost both of them their careers.
Posted on 12/15/11 at 9:09 am to burgeman
I couldn't tell you the scheme, but I do have an unforgettable moment in LSU history (for me anyway) to share.
This was during the DiNardo era in an interview with Jordy Hultberg at the time Lou Tepper was hired (the interview, on the Radio, actually took place moments before the Independence Bowl in 1997).
It went something like this:
JH: hello coach. Welcome to LSU. As you know, tiger fans everywhere are excited about what kind of defense you will bring to LSU. Can you tell us a little about your style?
LT(who is very dry in tone, softspoken, and possessing an opposite energy to JH's up tempo personality): Well, my scheme needs to be taught, so it takes some time to implement.
JH: So, Coach, how much time are we talking about here?
LT: My scheme takes around 4 years to implement.
JH: [...slight pause, one could sense the disbelieve in the silence...] Four years! Coach, we need this implemented now!
I kid you not, the above is very close to how that went down, and the last three comments are nearly verbatim.
This was during the DiNardo era in an interview with Jordy Hultberg at the time Lou Tepper was hired (the interview, on the Radio, actually took place moments before the Independence Bowl in 1997).
It went something like this:
JH: hello coach. Welcome to LSU. As you know, tiger fans everywhere are excited about what kind of defense you will bring to LSU. Can you tell us a little about your style?
LT(who is very dry in tone, softspoken, and possessing an opposite energy to JH's up tempo personality): Well, my scheme needs to be taught, so it takes some time to implement.
JH: So, Coach, how much time are we talking about here?
LT: My scheme takes around 4 years to implement.
JH: [...slight pause, one could sense the disbelieve in the silence...] Four years! Coach, we need this implemented now!
I kid you not, the above is very close to how that went down, and the last three comments are nearly verbatim.
This post was edited on 12/15/11 at 9:13 am
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