re: Cameron: Plays are a team call

i find it fascinating that people so often overlook the oline execution. I know Jefferson held on to the ball too long but, most of the time, the kid was running for his life. 1/9 was an unmitigated disaster. veteran oline players were making ridiculous mistakes. no qb would have been very successful behind that oline.

football is complicated with many variables but, people typically try to oversimplify the problems (i.e. miles is meddling)

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Trying to win with just defense is in effect, playing to lose

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Who insinuated this?

Double post

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LSU became completely one-dimensional

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LSU averaged 10 yards a game less passing from WKU to Georgia than they had in our first nine games.

LSU averaged three less throws a game from WKU to Georgia than they had in our first nine games.

Maybe it was you not paying attention because I don't see the changes being anywhere close to your completely one-dimension claim.

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The entire notion that an offensive coordinator, any offensive coordinator is just left to his own devices independent of any input from anyone else on staff, much less the HC, is so far overblown.

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Again, I think it's a given that there is input from the staff, but what Cameron himself mentioned is that some coordinators do like their fiefdom and want to feel like they need to be allowed to do what they do.

I think to Buddy Ryan's relationship with offenses. Maybe a Mouse Davis or a June Jones wanting to run-and-shoot the way they wanted to and frick the defense.

The point Cameron makes is he won't depart from the broader LSU culture.

Or will he? Isn't that what got him the boot in Baltimore? He forgot the run and how the ball-control offense played to the defense's strength. Isn't that why he lost his job?

I'm not hating on him. Just interesting.

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LSU averaged 10 yards a game less passing from WKU to Georgia than they had in our first nine games.

LSU averaged three less throws a game from WKU to Georgia than they had in our first nine games.

Maybe it was you not paying attention because I don't see the changes being anywhere close to your completely one-dimension claim.

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Let's look at it better. You liked to throw in stats for the first 9 games, as if Jarret Lee had been the planned starter all off-season long. Les was forced to make Jarret Lee the starter about 9 days before the season started. Obviously, in game 1 we were VERY conservative, and the game plan was effective. Game 2 was a total blowout of an inferior Northwestern St, so Lee only attempted 10 passes (completed 9).

Starting with the Miss State game, Jarret Lee began to find his comfort zone and over the next 6 games he attempted 27,28,21,10,17,and 20 passes. The Alabama game was played next, and we soon had Jordan Jefferson starting. In 4 out of 5 Jefferson starts (I won't count the 7 pass Ole Miss game for the same reason I didn't count Northwestern St against Lee, total blowout) the passes attempted by our starter were 14,29,13,17. Now remember, these were games where LSU's offense was struggling to move the ball, so one might think that passing would be even more needed when you can't just run at will. 13 pass attempts in a game in which you didn't even pick up a first down until the 2nd half, and 17 pass attempts in a game that you lost 21-0. Load up the box, stop the run, and Jefferson won't beat you with the pass.

One-dimensional!!!!!






(This thread isn't supposed to be a Lee/JJ debate, I'm just pointing out that Les Miles has no problem making his offense a run only, only pass when absolutley forced to)

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You liked to throw in stats for the first 9 games, as if Jarret Lee had been the planned starter all off-season long.

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Lee was a fricking 5th year senior in the LSU program since 2007 and with a number of starts. As was Jefferson.

Stop with the cherry picking of games shite.

You said with the WKU game, LSU became one-dimensional and I showed stats, not cherry picking any games, that showed you to be wrong.

Did LSU go more to the run when Jefferson took over---yes. Did the passing offense drop off---yes. Did the throws per game drop off---yes. Did the total offense yards increase from WKU to Georgia---yes. Did the points scored increase from WKU to Georgia---yes.

None of that comes anywhere close to LSU becoming totally one-dimensional as you claimed and the fact that you had to go back and cherry pick games to get the results you wanted proves your claim to be false.

Both of those QBs were mediocre to poor, but they each played hard and had their good games.

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If we lose

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Just won't happen, as much as you want it to.

I cherry picked nothing. I used the 5 games leading up to the quarterback change. Guess what, teams change throughout the course of a season. Was LSU's offense the first half of 2001 the same as the second half? No, because the offense evolved. In 2011, LSU in the 5 games prior to Alabama had become a balanced team. Balanced enough to keep 8 and 9 people out of the running lanes because teams had to respect that Reuben Randle could score on any play.

I like how you get to "cherry pick" stats against 3 of the worst defensive teams on the schedule (WKU, Ole Miss, and Arkansas). When we played a good defense (UGA and Bama), our "spread the field horizontally" with the running quarterback was putrid and pathetic.

It cost us a national title, FACT!