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re: Cam Thomas on fire again

Posted on 4/9/23 at 10:05 pm to
Posted by jamarr
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 4/9/23 at 10:05 pm to
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I don’t follow his comps of Cams play


melo, and my other example, ronaldo, were not mean to compare in terms of play style but in terms of contribution to the team. there are cerrtain players that can have good individual offensive numbers but are a net negative for the team winning.

thats what stats like win shares and BPM and off/def efficiency exist to measure. and they pretty much uniformly show that cam is not a great player at the moment.

in the future if he decides to work his arse off chasing rebounds and blocking penetration and flingin perfect passes that could change.
Posted by jamarr
Member since Jul 2019
1716 posts
Posted on 4/9/23 at 10:07 pm to
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And baseball is at deaths door because it has diminished the game. Nerds who never played don’t understand what analytics really are.



i dont think its advanced stats and analytics, i think it is 4 hour games and they are taking massive steps to correct that.

anyways the stats ability to enrich the game in terms of viewership are not the issue, the issue is their ability to rate player performance objectively, which they do well.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70295 posts
Posted on 4/9/23 at 10:09 pm to
Ronaldo didn’t contribute to his team? You’ve just discredited yourself. Whoever you’re getting your opinions from look elsewhere.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 4/9/23 at 10:16 pm to
Bruh, with each attempt to shorten games the MLB games have gotten longer. The analytics do not measure player quality, there’s a financial motive behind the mass spread of analytics. Offense has decreased not increased and they’ve had to put training wheels on by taking out the shift because guys can’t hit anymore. It’s improved nothing but GMs ability to cut cost. It did have a useful place as a tool for low budget teams but it’s been high jacked for the wrong purpose and is killing the MLB.
Posted by jamarr
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 4/9/23 at 10:20 pm to
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Ronaldo didn’t contribute to his team?


i mean ronaldo today, at his current age. he could still score goals, but it would hurt the overall team. thats why he doesnt play in europe anymore.

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Bruh, with each attempt to shorten games the MLB games have gotten longer


incorrect this season games are significantly shorter.

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Offense has decreased not increased


yes, the advanced analytics showed teams how to shift etc and it was very effective.

do you know what win shares and how they work? are you familiar with VORP? these stats quantify contribution of many factors for a more total and useful measure of a players contributions.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70295 posts
Posted on 4/9/23 at 10:27 pm to
The season is 2 weeks old dude, it’s increased by about 15 minutes over the past 20 years, mostly the last decade and yes I’m familiar with both those statistics, both are complete shite.
This post was edited on 4/9/23 at 10:31 pm
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4682 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 2:38 am to
So, he's a Vinnie Johnson for the Pistons, wait, the microwave was brought into the game to score. Those other parts of the game are important but you're trying to tell me that he was a detriment to his team even though he scored 46? BS. That's where "metrics" is a crock of shite. So hypothetically, take away 36 of the 46 and try to see if he would come up with enough points being a good defender and handing out assists. Best case scenario he produces 5 extra assists and stops 10 fewer points on defense, he still is short 16 points of his total playing the way he did.
Posted by inadaze
Member since Aug 2010
5234 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 6:42 pm to
There are a lot of flaws with Moneyball-related ideas.

Juan Pierre was the leadoff hitter for the 2003 World Series Champions. He led the National League in Hits, Stolen Bases, and Sacrifice Hits. He also led the 2003 Marlins in Runs, Triples, and had the best Walk-Strikeout Ratio.

Moneyball isn't even about making "objective data" judgments on player value. It's about making value judgments relative to payroll because the A's were relatively low in terms of payroll in MLB. But the Marlins actually had a LOWER payroll than the A's in 2003!

2003 Payrolls
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