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re: Call of the year or more poor clock management?

Posted on 7/31/10 at 11:12 am to
Posted by Uncommon Cents
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2008
14381 posts
Posted on 7/31/10 at 11:12 am to
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kick the field goal


It could have been blocked and returned for a touchdown.
There.
I can be as stupid as you.
Posted by ottothewise
Member since Sep 2008
32094 posts
Posted on 7/31/10 at 11:36 am to
this is why the media calls Leslie, the gunslinger.


Posted by Bernie Moore
Member since May 2010
1859 posts
Posted on 7/31/10 at 11:52 am to
Watching the FG kicker in pre game warm ups and in Fla game a FG was a bgger risk than the surprise pass.

Scoop posted this to incite more Miles' bashing.
Posted by Chimlim
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2005
17773 posts
Posted on 7/31/10 at 12:27 pm to
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I agree. It was a reckless and moronic call. We were very lucky it worked out.


The only good thing about the call was that it caught Auburn off guard. Other then that, Miles was completely oblivious of the clock, and it is the same problem he's been having since he's coached here - poor clock management. It just happened to work out this time, but most of the time, those types of plays will not work in that situation.
Posted by Uncommon Cents
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2008
14381 posts
Posted on 7/31/10 at 12:31 pm to
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The only good thing about the call was that it caught Auburn off guard. Other then that, Miles was completely oblivious of the clock, and it is the same problem he's been having since he's coached here - poor clock management. It just happened to work out this time, but most of the time, those types of plays will not work in that situation.


Did you see the game? Apparently not. It's that or you have absolutely no idea how football is played.
Now you call your daddy and show him what a big arse you just made of yourself.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 7/31/10 at 1:28 pm to
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Call of the year or more poor clock management?


Neither one. It was a good call that a lot of coaches make in that situation. You have time to run a play to the end zone or set up a closer FG, then call time out and kick the FG if you need to, so you try it. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't and you have to kick the FG. There's nothing particularly amazing about it, and it certainly isn't a bad decision. The only thing that made it look close was that our team took way longer than it should have to line up and snap the ball, and the clock operator let 2 or 3 seconds run off the clock after the play was over. Even with that, practically everything going wrong that could go wrong (from the clock standpoint), we still had a second left on the clock after the play was over, and could have attempted a FG if we needed to.
This post was edited on 7/31/10 at 1:30 pm
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 7/31/10 at 3:47 pm to
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There's nothing particularly amazing about it


other than a great throw and a great catch...
Posted by extremetigerfanatic
Member since Oct 2003
5999 posts
Posted on 7/31/10 at 4:10 pm to
There is plenty of times that you can scream bloody hell at Miles for poor clock management.

Auburn 07 was not one. It was the right call, executed well, high quality roll of the dice.

All, end of game, working the clock type of situations are touch and go. You try to make sure you have as many scenarios as possible worked out in your head and preferrably on a end of game sheet (so you don't have to try to remember them all under duress) and then you go on feel. You can't have every scenario played out because you never have the exact same set of variables twice. How much time left, where are you on the field, what is the score, how is your QB performing, is the other team getting consist. pressure on the QB, do we have a favorable matchup we want to exploit, home or away... the list goes on and on.

I can't freakin stand when a team gets down close to scoring like that and then puts all their eggs in the kicker's basket when they had some time to try for the endzone.

They called a great play, they threw it up where only our guy could go get it (I know some of you are going to say the DB could possibly have intercepted it, but that dude had NFL coverage on Byrd and still didn't get his hand on it. )

Now if they had run some stupid play across the middle where the ball has a good chance to be tipped up, you can make more of an argument.

Like I said, if you want to bash the coaches for end of game management there is plenty to pick from, I am just not sure why people pick this game. They actually played it perfectly.

And for all the rantards that want to harp on the time, the reality is that if the timekeeper wasn't jumping up and down celebrating, the clock would have stopped at least with 3 seconds left.

Just wanted to add, that if you asked me, I am not sure if Miles called this endgame so well because he was on the ball and clued in, or if he just got extremely lucky. I don't know. I am not defending Miles and if he is smart or not. Just the way the end of this game was called. It was perfect. But I concede it might have been perfect dumb luck.
This post was edited on 7/31/10 at 4:14 pm
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 7/31/10 at 4:23 pm to
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Dobermann
good eye
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 7/31/10 at 4:52 pm to
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so we score and go up by 5, seems a 2pt conversion would be in order. No, our idiot coach kicks a PAT to go up 6. would have been funny had Auburn returned the kickoff for a TD and won by 1 pt.



yeah, that was pretty dumb
Posted by Chimlim
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2005
17773 posts
Posted on 7/31/10 at 4:55 pm to
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Did you see the game? Apparently not. It's that or you have absolutely no idea how football is played.
Now you call your daddy and show him what a big arse you just made of yourself.


Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 7/31/10 at 8:30 pm to
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In reality though, it was more on Flynn there. He took his sweet arse time breaking the huddle and getting the play started.

Coaching blunder that got bailed out? Perhaps. QB being way to casual in that situation? Certainly.


This. But Miles did the right thing making a try for the TD and not giving the D a chance to set up.

The Ole Miss game was a blunder, no doubt about it, but LSU should never have been in a position for that to matter anyway.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 7/31/10 at 9:03 pm to
What a glorious moment.

When you think of what was going through my head until he caught that ball, not so much...
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 8/1/10 at 5:20 pm to
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There's nothing particularly amazing about it


other than a great throw and a great catch...


No doubt. I was referring to the decision to try a play there, though. It was a pretty standard coaching decision that most coaches would make, mainly because it's a good one.
Posted by TigaB8a
Member since Nov 2009
428 posts
Posted on 8/1/10 at 6:52 pm to
Isn't the clock supposed to stop on completion of a pass?
Posted by Uncommon Cents
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2008
14381 posts
Posted on 8/1/10 at 6:53 pm to
Only if it is a first down or a touchdown I think.
Posted by TigaB8a
Member since Nov 2009
428 posts
Posted on 8/1/10 at 6:57 pm to
A friend who was a manager on the team that year told me less wasn't motioning to spike, he was telling the refs the ball was down and they should stop the clock.
Posted by RushTigerLimbaugh
Member since Dec 2009
1284 posts
Posted on 8/1/10 at 7:07 pm to
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would have been funny had Auburn returned the kickoff for a TD and won by 1 pt.


And you're an LSU fan...
Posted by Cornholio
LaPlace
Member since Nov 2007
8279 posts
Posted on 8/1/10 at 8:02 pm to
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Not a stupid call at all. Get over it. The ball was snapped with 8 secs left and caught with 3 secs left. The clock should've been stopped at 3 or a minimum of 2 secs. Still time to kick the field goal




It could have been picked off....


Every pass thrown in a game could be picked off. Just stop, you don't know better than the coach, you look like a fool trying to argue this.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
87390 posts
Posted on 8/1/10 at 8:58 pm to
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It was the right call. It was the high percentage call. You get the percentage opportunity to make the TD PLUS you get the percentage opportunity to advance the ball for a shorter FG attempt PLUS you still get the percentage opportunity to kick the field goal because time is still on the clock.

All of the that AND Auburn was not expecting that call at all.

(% TD + % advance ball) + (% make field goal) > (% make field goal)

Flynn should have expedited the play a little more. He let the clock get a little low.


This is almost perfect. Add in how we had been doing from that range kicking to that point, and the argument is over. Right call. Threads like this should not even exist.
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