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re: Burrow Jumps Up the list of Odds for Heisman
Posted on 7/24/19 at 2:44 pm to earl keese
Posted on 7/24/19 at 2:44 pm to earl keese
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He wasn't picked first so he took his ball and went home so to speak. He quit on his team and his teammates.
If he hadn't graduated, I may agree. But, he fulfilled his commitment and decided to make a change. Nothing wrong with that IMO.
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Posted on 7/24/19 at 2:44 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
So let me get this straight...
The opinions of the fans on the site that you're debating with don't matter, but the opinions of the fans in that Ohio State poll validate your Burrow vs. Haskins argument?
The opinions of the fans on the site that you're debating with don't matter, but the opinions of the fans in that Ohio State poll validate your Burrow vs. Haskins argument?
Posted on 7/24/19 at 2:46 pm to Buckeye06
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Because he's not an OSU fan
Anybody that's been paying attention knows this to be a fact.
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I just come here for the laughs and to rile him up a bit; poke that kitty
He's good for a laugh and easy to rile up. 
Posted on 7/24/19 at 2:47 pm to SammyTiger
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So you’re saying he should stay to be a backup?
That’s you’re argument?
But there's also a chance that he was going to win the job, right? 50/50 shot.
It's not a simple decision.
Like I said, 50/50 chance of being the starter with first round upside, that's the choice I would've made.
On the other hand, I can understand the factors that went into the decision that he made. Like a lot of other athletes, he's got a lot of people in his ear telling him how great he is and how he could do just as well somewhere else.
I'm not in his family so I can see objectively that he can't. I would hope we can all see that.
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How do you think any of those 1st round QBs look on our team last year?
You're making my point for me.
There were more negative outcomes involved in staying at Ohio St, but the positive outcome has a higher ceiling. His decision was about reducing the number of negative outcomes rather than maximizing his possible upside.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 2:48 pm to Goldrush25
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There's no chance at all of him being a first-round draft pick starting for LSU.
Burrow will be a Top-5 QB pick if he hits these marks:
1) Burrow will throw 68%+ completions, 70%+ not unlikely
2) Throw for 3500+ yards. 4000+ is not unlikely.
3) He'll have a 5 to 1 or better TD to INT ratio.
And what round a top-5 QB goes in has more to do with how
the scheme the QB runs matches the team's scheme than any other factor.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 2:49 pm to earl keese
I think You have to be an absolute a-hole to question his decision to transfer without a guarantee to start.
Staying and losing the starting job could have ended his career. His teammates are going to be paying his bills in 2 years.
Staying and losing the starting job could have ended his career. His teammates are going to be paying his bills in 2 years.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 2:52 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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And what round a top-5 QB goes in has more to do with how the scheme the QB runs matches the team's scheme than any other factor.
Well that’s not true.
It’s easier to change a scheme than find a guy with the talent to be a franchise QB
Posted on 7/24/19 at 2:52 pm to SammyTiger
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I think You have to be an absolute a-hole to question his decision to transfer without a guarantee to start.
It's not just about a guarantee to start though. It's what you'll be able to do with that job if you get it
Starting QB jobs in college football are not all the same.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 2:54 pm to Goldrush25
Being the starting QB at LSU > never being the starting QB at Ohio State.
You’re absolutely using the gift of hindsight
You’re absolutely using the gift of hindsight
Posted on 7/24/19 at 2:55 pm to Goldrush25
quote:Hate to burst your bubble, but big-time college ball is a business.
Like I said, 50/50 chance of being the starter with first round upside, that's the choice I would've made.
On the other hand, I can understand the factors that went into the decision that he made. Like a lot of other athletes, he's got a lot of people in his ear telling him how great he is and how he could do just as well somewhere else.
Door A gives you a 50/50 chance to have someone hand you a million dollars - NFL deal.
Door B gives you a 90/10 chance at the million - NFL deal.
(BTW, door A just lied to you about a critical commitment... that they would choose on a date certain)
This post was edited on 7/24/19 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 7/24/19 at 2:55 pm to SammyTiger
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never being the starting QB at Ohio State
You keep saying that but it's wasn't "never."
He could've actually have won the job last season. In fact, Buckeye thinks he would've.
This post was edited on 7/24/19 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 7/24/19 at 2:56 pm to TigerLunatik
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If he hadn't graduated, I may agree. But, he fulfilled his commitment and decided to make a change. Nothing wrong with that IMO.
That's cool Lunatik. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. I feel that if Burrow was indeed in a head to head race with Haskins for the starting job at Ohio State, and you believe in yourself and you're a competitor, you stay where you're at and compete for the starting job.
Again, my opinion.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 2:57 pm to Goldrush25
We know that now but he didn’t know that when he had to make this decision.
Sitting there henianlooking at a best a coin flip with a player with more years left than he had. Haskins easily could have won the job and stayed 2 years. In that scenario Joe doesn’t start.
You absolutely remove that from the table.
And FYI where did JT Barrett go in the NFL Draft? Starting at OSU is no 1st round guarantee even for successful QBs
There is a reason people don’t just put their life savings on black at the roulette table.
Sitting there henianlooking at a best a coin flip with a player with more years left than he had. Haskins easily could have won the job and stayed 2 years. In that scenario Joe doesn’t start.
You absolutely remove that from the table.
And FYI where did JT Barrett go in the NFL Draft? Starting at OSU is no 1st round guarantee even for successful QBs
There is a reason people don’t just put their life savings on black at the roulette table.
This post was edited on 7/24/19 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 7/24/19 at 2:58 pm to earl keese
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That's cool Lunatik. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. I feel that if Burrow was indeed in a head to head race with Haskins for the starting job at Ohio State, and you believe in yourself and you're a competitor, you stay where you're at and compete for the starting job.
Again, my opinion.
So in your opinion Joe is NOT a competitor? (psst, dude that's dumb)
Posted on 7/24/19 at 2:59 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Door A gives you a 50/50 chance to have someone hand you a million dollars - NFL deal.
Door B gives you a 90/10 chance at the million - NFL deal.
Door B isn't a 90/10 chance at that same money that Door A is offering. I know you think so but I think your projections of Burrow at the next level are going to fall short of reality.
And then you'll blame everyone under the sun for it.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 2:59 pm to earl keese
You have a right to your opinions
And we all have a right to point out that it’s fricking stupid.
Sorry there is believing in yourself and making a smart move. How many things do you believe in enough to risk your entire future on?
And we all have a right to point out that it’s fricking stupid.
Sorry there is believing in yourself and making a smart move. How many things do you believe in enough to risk your entire future on?
This post was edited on 7/24/19 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 7/24/19 at 3:00 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:you're the one who pointed out that Joe Burrow was a quitter.
So in your opinion Joe is NOT a competitor? (psst, dude that's dumb)
Posted on 7/24/19 at 3:01 pm to earl keese
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I feel that if Burrow was indeed in a head to head race with Haskins for the starting job at Ohio State
Well, that's just the thing. I don't think he was.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 3:02 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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So in your opinion Joe is NOT a competitor? (psst, dude that's dumb)
I dunno brother. He did what he did. Saying that he left rather than see the competition through to the end is just a record of events. It's not bashing him.
I know it particularly eats you up inside because you believe he's at least as good as Haskins and he denied you the opportunity to see him prove it.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 3:03 pm to Goldrush25
How many 1st round QBs had Ohio state put out before Haskins?
This post was edited on 7/24/19 at 3:05 pm
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