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re: Burrow is the best complete QB in the SEC. True or False?

Posted on 5/19/19 at 3:16 pm to
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 5/19/19 at 3:16 pm to
Agreed. Thank u.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 5/19/19 at 3:20 pm to
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Which part?


Better WRs
Better O-Line
Better passing scheme

H-Town... Do you SERIOUSLY disagree with ANY of those??? LOL
This post was edited on 5/19/19 at 3:23 pm
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 5/19/19 at 3:33 pm to
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Do you SERIOUSLY disagree with ANY of those??? LOL


Thanks another classic Ree response! You just jump in and cherry pick a sentence without bothering to follow to conversation and then respond with a strawman as expected

“Which part” was a question to PJ. Here is the original conversation

quote:

H: Actually what he’s saying is the only reason Haskins or Tua had better stats than Burrow is because they had better team mates

PJWell this IS true
H: which part?
......


By which part I was asking PJ which part of my statement that he was responding to was true, not which part of Ohio St (or Alabama’s) roster was better and where





Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 5/19/19 at 3:39 pm to
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By which part I was asking PJ which part of my statement that he was responding to was true, not which part of Ohio St (or Alabama’s) roster was better and where


So you agree that Tua's (and Haskins') stats were heavily dependent on his WRs, O-Line, and passing scheme.

Good. We're making progress!
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/19/19 at 3:44 pm to
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So you agree that Tua's (and Haskins') stats were heavily dependent on his WRs, O-Line, and passing scheme.



You can blame Burrow's stats on his supporting cast all you want. But it's his choice he made to be here. He's not making any excuses for it, so why are you? We can see where your priorities lie, and that's with Joe Burrow. You will throw the rest of the team and coaching staff under the bus to uphold his reputation.

No one's trying to hear this nonsense. A great QB doesn't put up below average stats in the SEC because of his supporting cast. He's just not as good as you think he is.

The funny thing is, no one is asking him to be great, and we don't need him to be great. Everyone is fine with a normal progression this year. We don't need him to put up Tua stats, because that's unrealistic.
This post was edited on 5/19/19 at 3:49 pm
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 5/19/19 at 3:53 pm to
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You can blame Burrow's stats on his supporting cast all you want. But it's his choice he made to be here. He's not making any excuses for it, so why are you? We can see where your priorities lie, and that's with Joe Burrow. You will throw the rest of the team and coaching staff under the bus to uphold his reputation.


Wow. You are even more clueless about football than I thought possible!!!

You are now saying that WRs, O-Line, and scheme are NOT huge factors in a QBs stats? Wow, man. LOL

Don't you have some sport you actually know about? Lacrosse maybe?

This post was edited on 5/19/19 at 3:54 pm
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 5/19/19 at 4:00 pm to
quote:

So you agree that Tua's (and Haskins') stats were heavily dependent on his WRs, O-Line, and passing scheme. Good. We're making progress!


That’s not what I said Ree. But another classic Ree reply no concept of marginal difference and a made up point

Hurts had all the same talent around him as Tua and never put up those numbers nor was he projected to be drafted let alone #1 overall or at least top 5.

BTW if the surrounding players is the only difference then why should LSU fans be optimistic at all? Did we have some infusion of new talent on the OL and WR over night? 1 assistant coach could never make that much difference over night between 50 and 16 TDs

Burrow good, the Offense hopefully will be drastically improved.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59955 posts
Posted on 5/19/19 at 4:03 pm to
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Wow. You are even more clueless about football than I thought possible!!! You are now saying that WRs, O-Line, and scheme are NOT huge factors in a QBs stats? Wow, man. LOL


I don’t know if he’s clueless about football but you are clueless about reading comprehension AND football

Not to mention a basic understanding of how the world works
Posted by RedTigerRulz
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Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 5/19/19 at 4:03 pm to
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You can blame Burrow's stats on his supporting cast all you want. But it's his choice he made to be here.


You're a dumbass. You dont think his supporting cast had anything to do with his numbers?

His choice to be here???? are you kidding???? He's supposed to know ahead of time before he gets here all the dynamics of the o-line, receivers, etc?

Jesus!!!!
Posted by Kool Kaliper
Mansfield, TX
Member since Nov 2018
1781 posts
Posted on 5/19/19 at 4:09 pm to
Drinking too much purple and gold juice is detrimental to your poor cerebral...Hell nah Joe don't come close to Tua or Fromm, his arm is subpar Brennan has a stronger arm than him..I bleed purple and gold but Joe ain't a better QB than Tua or Fromm.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 5/19/19 at 4:14 pm to
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Hurts had all the same talent around him as Tua

Hurts didn't have the scheme. Josh Gattis was one and done at Bama.

BYW, Michigan gave Gattis a blank check to become their new OC - And Harbaugh has sworn to be 100% hands-off on the offense.

And if you think Bama's O will thrive under Sark, you're goofy. They'll be good enough to roll the cupcakes, but they'll have trouble with teams of LSU's class.

Gattis at Michigan - LINK
This post was edited on 5/19/19 at 4:16 pm
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 5/19/19 at 4:15 pm to
He chose to play for an Eddy O offense, he had to know what was in store...
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 5/19/19 at 4:17 pm to
quote:

He chose to play for an Eddy O offense, he had to know what was in store...

And O brought in Brady for the Spread/RPO. Burrow is JACKED!
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
59399 posts
Posted on 5/19/19 at 4:23 pm to
If you go by his logic there’s never been a below average QB in the history of football. Every QB is great, the only reason their numbers are ever bad is because of their supporting cast. I guess that’s why it’s been so easy for LSU to find great QB after great QB, it’s only because of our poor skill guys that these QBs haven’t flourished here at LSU.
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 5/19/19 at 4:26 pm to
Explain Brady’s background in the RPO, where he learned it, what his job entailed with the Saints and what he does at LSU.
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
13263 posts
Posted on 5/19/19 at 4:37 pm to
Check out Terry Bradshaw's receiving core when he came into the league. Compare them to Swann, Stalworth, and Cunningham when they won Super Bowls.
The Defense was adequate also.
Early in Bradshaw's career, folks like Bob Griese made fun of him. Once they added a supporting cast, Bradshaw's laughter became his signature
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59955 posts
Posted on 5/19/19 at 5:00 pm to
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If you go by his logic there’s never been a below average QB in the history of football. Every QB is great, the only reason their numbers are ever bad is because of their supporting cast.


Alternatively why wasn’t Blake Sims a first rounder? Amari Cooper was a Heisman finalist and had one of the best receiving seasons in SEC history. If surrounding talent is all that matters. Wouldn’t having Cooper, D Henry and Yeldon play I’m sure a couple of the OL were drafted mean Sims should have had better numbers and been projected as a top 5 pick?
Posted by LSU1SLU
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 5/19/19 at 5:01 pm to
False cuz you’re a homer moron
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
59399 posts
Posted on 5/19/19 at 5:06 pm to
and Burrows WRs last season were some of the most talented in the country by every standard available to us so this excuse that they’re to blame for everything is just stupid.

Justin Jefferson- 54 catches, 875yrds, 16.2ypc, 6TDs
Dee Anderson- 6-6, 229lbs 4.4 (40), 4* recruit, 20 catches, 274yrds, TD, 13.4ypc
Stephen Sullivan- 4*, #7 national recruit, 6-7, 232lbs, 23Rec, 363yrds, 3TDs, 15.8ypc
Terrance Marshall- 5*, #1 overall recruit, 6-4, 209lbs, 4.4 (40), 12rec, 194yrds, 16ypc
Jamarr Chase- 4*, #19 overall recruit, 6-1, 205lbs, 4.4 (40), 23rec, 313yrds, 13.8ypc, 3TDs
John Giles- 3* recruit, Houston POTY, 6-1, 186lbs, 69rec, 1,158yrds, 13ypc, 13TDs
Derrick Dillon- 4* recruit, #9 recruit overall, 5-11, 184lbs, 4.4 (40), 22rec, 307yrds, 14ypc, 2TDs
Foster Moreau- 6-6, 256lbs, 3* recruit, 4th round pick of the Oakland Raiders, 32starts 49 games, one of the most productive tight ends in LSU history, 7th alltime in receptions, top 10 in yards, 52 rec, 629yrds, 12.9ypc, 6TDs

Nobody in the country had a deeper, more talented group to throw to.
This post was edited on 5/19/19 at 5:09 pm
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 5/19/19 at 5:10 pm to
quote:

Explain Brady’s background in the RPO, where he learned it, what his job entailed with the Saints and what he does at LSU.
Google it.

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