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re: BRPD releasing the Koy Moore bodycam footage this afternoon.

Posted on 4/7/21 at 2:45 pm to
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78300 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 2:45 pm to
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I had empathy for them until they lied


If the cops lied would you lose any empathy for them?

They didn’t put anything in their report. Which is a lie of omission. I also Doubt their version of events to their superior was 100% accurate.

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They get set up, they get ambushed, and they have to be extremely careful in all situations.


They can’t treat every situation like an ambush though. And this would literally be the worst ambush ever if they let cops walk up to them and pull their weapons.
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 2:47 pm
Posted by GoneFishing21
Member since May 2017
3667 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 2:48 pm to
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Maybe I would Just pull my gun, which is apparently a-ok


You’re an idiot. Pulling a gun does not mean you’re going to shoot someone or commit a murder. Do you know how many officers have been murdered because they were too slow to react and didn’t draw their weapon when they should have? You have zero real world experience. Why don’t you just stick to walking drunk in luxury parking garages.
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 2:49 pm
Posted by GoneFishing21
Member since May 2017
3667 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 2:52 pm to
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If the cops lied would you lose any empathy for them?


You would care if the cops lied but not anyone else.

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They didn’t put anything in their report. Which is a lie of omission. I also Doubt their version of events to their superior was 100% accurate.


Technically the noise complaint was a separate incident and therefore should have required a separate report from the incident with Moore and his friend. Maybe they should have done a report about that also, but it’s not a lie when the report was related to the noise complaint.

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They can’t treat every situation like an ambush though. And this would literally be the worst ambush ever if they let cops walk up to them and pull their weapons.


They don’t. They can treat a situation like a potential ambush situation if it is a potential ambush situation. You’re dumb. Nobody said it was an ambush attempt. Police aren’t required to know the intentions of the people who are hiding.
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 2:55 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78300 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 2:57 pm to
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They don’t. They can treat a situation like a potential ambush situation if it is a potential ambush situation. You’re dumb. Nobody said it was an ambush attempt. Police aren’t required to know the intentions of the people who are hiding.


What situation isn’t a potential Ambush? Also I would love to see what standard cops have for determining an ambush.

Let’s also be up front, I assume You’re a cop. And thus cop safety is probably your highest priority. Which is a reasonable opinion for you to have
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 3:02 pm
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
29202 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:02 pm to
Let’s try it a third time, shall we?

What experience do you have in the legal field and/or police work?
Posted by GoneFishing21
Member since May 2017
3667 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:02 pm to
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What situation isn’t a potential Ambush?


Yeah and this one certainly could be as people have been killed in the exact same fashion.

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Let’s also be up front, I assume You’re a cop. And thus cop safety is probably your highest priority. Which is a reasonable opinion for you to have


My highest priority would be the safety of innocent victims and myself. That does not mean that cops don’t consider the safety of the person they are dealing with. Part of that means giving lawful commands for a person to follow to make sure that it never gets to the point where you have to use any type of force.
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33536 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:03 pm to
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SammyTiger


You're an idiot.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78300 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:04 pm to
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My highest priority would be the safety of innocent victims and myself. That does not mean that cops don’t consider the safety of the person they are dealing with. Part of that means giving lawful commands for a person to follow to make sure that it never gets to the point where you have to use any type of force.


Ok now we’re at least having an honest conversation.

What is the definition of reasonable suspicion you were given? What are you trained to look for that tips the scale on something like this?
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 3:05 pm
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33536 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:05 pm to
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What is the definition of reasonable suspicion you were given? What are you trained to look for that tips the scale on something like this?


Hiding behind a car and ignoring commands is a pretty good fricking example dumbass.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78300 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:07 pm to
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Hiding behind a car and ignoring commands is a pretty good fricking example dumbass.


The seizure started before they ignored commands. Moron.

And if you want to argue with this, tell me if Moore was free to go when the officer first said “put your hands on the car”

So you’re basically saying hiding is enough.
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 3:10 pm
Posted by The Melt
Metairie
Member since Apr 2018
984 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:09 pm to
KOY LIED, LSU DIED
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33536 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:12 pm to
Whats your definition of reasonable?
Posted by GoneFishing21
Member since May 2017
3667 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:13 pm to
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Ok now we’re at least having an honest conversation.


It was never a dishonest conversation.

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What is the definition of reasonable suspicion you were given? What are you trained to look for that tips the scale on something like this?


Honestly, there’s no reason to go over this any further. I gave facts that can be articulated just from looking at it as an outsider. This doesn’t even include any previous knowledge of issues related to that apartment complex or others that officers are aware of. You’ve already indicated that you simply believe the reasonable suspicion bar is set too low. I’m saying it is a low standard and that’s not a bad thing. The law allows for temporary infringements that are reasonable. This was a short encounter that could have gone very different. You think it’s all related to the actions of the officers and fail to acknowledge the role of Koy and his friend that led to the police action in the first place. You want to place the blame solely on law enforcement because it will always be their fault to you. You were blaming the police in the original thread before any statement was released by police or the video was shown. You believed you had full knowledge of the incident because you read a social media post. How often do they actually turn out to be 100% truth? Rarely, but you took it and ran with it. I am open to the fact that officers can make mistakes and on occasions even commit criminal acts. I also know that the police will most often do the right things within what the law allows. Your automatic assumptions will always assume the police did something wrong before you actually know.
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 3:14 pm
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
29202 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:13 pm to
Dude is trying to talk in legal terms

Has ignored the same question three times when asked what his legal or police experience is
Posted by lepdagod
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
5530 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:14 pm to
I don’t know... police not wrong... Koy ain’t either though who wants a gun pointed at them??
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
29202 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:16 pm to
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Koy ain’t either though who wants a gun pointed at them


Correct, nobody wants guns pointed at them. Koy screwed up mostly (at least IMO) by fabricating a story to mix his political views into the situation and to get a payday.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78300 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:17 pm to
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Dude is trying to talk in legal terms

Has ignored the same question three times when asked what his legal or police experience is


I have a law degree and I am a licensed attorney. So yeah, I’m gonna use legal terms.
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 3:19 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78300 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:21 pm to
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This doesn’t even include any previous knowledge of issues related to that apartment complex or others that officers are aware of.


Most of your facts are exactly this.

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I’m saying it is a low standard and that’s not a bad thing.


Its not a low standard and arguably
It is a bad thing.
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 3:23 pm
Posted by GoneFishing21
Member since May 2017
3667 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:26 pm to
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Most of your facts are exactly this.


Some of it was, which is reasonable because it’s a common occurrence at these places. You haven’t said how many facts you require to reach reasonable suspicion. You don’t even have an attainable standard but you’re saying the officers didn’t have it. My training also specifically references the FACT that you do not have to rule out all innocent possibilities before acting on reasonable suspicion. We get your point. Koy Moore and his friend weren’t guilty of a crime. That’s great. They aren’t required to be and the police aren’t required to know that ahead of time.
Posted by GoneFishing21
Member since May 2017
3667 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:30 pm to
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Its not a low standard and arguably
It is a bad thing.


Well it’s not a standard that requires nothing. There has to be some facts present. So I guess in that sense it isn’t low. It’s not as high as you try to imply where officers have to know a specific crime that was committed. So in relation to that, the standard is fairly low.

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It is a bad thing


Different people will always have different views on this. You have yours and that’s okay.
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