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re: Brit SAS whistleblower actually made me like them more

Posted on 9/26/26 at 3:50 pm to
Posted by Klark Kent
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Posted on 9/26/26 at 3:50 pm to
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Nor did it in any way insinuate it would “permanently eliminate every cartel.” That’s your straw man.


On that narrow point, fair. Sure, you never claimed those exact words. “Permanently eliminate every cartel” was my own extrapolation from your “it didn’t matter” standard, and it went beyond what you said. Congrats, take your usual arrogant victory lap over a tiny procedural victory.

Now let’s return to what you actually said.

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Yes the group that lost the war against the inferior opponent compared to the cartel would certainly do damage to the cartel.

Those guys were badasses, but it didn’t matter.


rltiger’s claim was that a few teams, with U.S. support, could inflict serious damage. Your response used the ultimate outcome of an entire war to dismiss the ability of one regiment to inflict that damage. Those are two different propositions. A unit can inflict serious tactical damage while still serving on the losing side of a much larger war.

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My comment didn’t even require “serious” damage.


Then your comment didn’t address his claim, because his claim expressly did require “serious damage.”

If your point is merely that a few teams could inflict damage without defeating the entire cartel system, nobody disagreed with you. If your point is that they couldn’t inflict serious damage, pointing out that Rhodesia ultimately lost the war does not establish that.

That is the distinction I’ve been making. No redefinition required.
This post was edited on 9/26/26 at 3:55 pm
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
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Posted on 9/26/26 at 4:15 pm to
The best, or worst, thing about the OT is how a good thread can get derailed into two people arguing over some point completely unrelated to the OP.
Posted by Klark Kent
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Posted on 9/26/26 at 4:26 pm to
Fair. That’s what happens when an always-online, strip mall Perry Mason spots an opportunity to turn a casual comment into billable hours.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/26/26 at 4:30 pm to
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rltiger’s claim was that a few teams, with U.S. support, could inflict serious damage.


We have done this exact thing before, in Mexico, against the cartels.

None worked at all, there were no long-term positives, and one turned into one of the most violent cartels in history (major negative)

Spec ops are awesome, and like I said the Rhodesian guys were certified badasses...but they're scalpels. There is only so much they can do.

Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
42157 posts
Posted on 9/26/26 at 4:46 pm to
All this broad has done is reinforce the fact that women have no business in male-dominated industries such as the military or law enforcement - as well as any position of authority or leadership.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
76303 posts
Posted on 9/26/26 at 4:47 pm to
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None worked at all, there were no long-term positives


And there is the pivot.

The original claim was that they could inflict serious damage. Now the standard is whether a few special operations teams could produce long-term strategic success against the entire cartel system.

Thank you for finally making my point for me.

Enjoy the game!
Posted by udtiger
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Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 9/26/26 at 4:49 pm to
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Rad some history books on the subject and get back to me. Those badasses we’re fighting 10x their numbers and only lost because America phased out and quit supplying them


The USA succumbing to the anti-Rhodesia and anti-aparteid propaganda did long term damage to Africa.
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
20547 posts
Posted on 9/26/26 at 4:54 pm to
Plenty of people on Reddit will tell you how post apartheid Africa is the pinnacle of world society.
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