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re: Brian Kelly will be fine and needs time
Posted on 11/12/24 at 1:49 pm to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 11/12/24 at 1:49 pm to SidewalkTiger
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your entire argument is based on transitive property.
You tried to make an argument based on the hypithetical transitive property when you stated that had we played the same competition as Texas, we would have made it go the playoffs as well. I simply used actuak transitive data to show you that you were wrong.
We could also go by CFP rankings, or whatever else you want to, but now you're getting into semantics and really, Sarks body of work was and has been clearly more impressive than LSUs.
You're a fool if you don't think South Carolina would be favored over us, today. As far as the ole miss thing goes, youre trying to disprove a transitive statement by talking about how a team beat a team that beat another team. Even with Ole Misses loss to us, their overall body of work is better than ours. We are a three loss team. They'd be favored in a rematch. UGA would be favored over us. Texas would be favored over us. Tennessee would be favored over us.
All of this to say, that you have no ground to stand on if you're seriously going to argue that Kelly has outperformed these other coaches. He hasnt. Finding a flaw in an argument that I make, doesn't equate to Kelly being a better coach either. The results are there. We are a three loss team and damn near out of the top 25. Today. Thats reality. That's something you can't argue your way out of.
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Posted on 11/12/24 at 2:01 pm to Ebridg3
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All of this to say, that you have no ground to stand on if you're seriously going to argue that Kelly has outperformed these other coaches. He hasnt.
Based on what?
You obviously don't value win percentage so what are you basing this opinion on?
Posted on 11/12/24 at 2:04 pm to Cuz413
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frick this bullshite
Indiana has a 1st year HC, OC, DC complete staff.
10-0, 7-0 in conference
Ranked in the top 10
It's possible for a team in year 1 and compete.
frick it, hire their entire staff
They haven't even faced a ranked team.
Some of you are like children, distracted by every new, shiny object.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 2:05 pm to Phillytiger9
As much as I hate to defend Kelly he is still suffering from what he took over. Have to give him this one and two more recruiting cycles. If we are not in the playoffs in 26 or 27 then cut him loose. By then buyout should be at an affordable level.
This post was edited on 11/12/24 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 11/12/24 at 2:09 pm to Phillytiger9
LMAO
Posted on 11/12/24 at 2:10 pm to SidewalkTiger
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You obviously don't value win percentage so what are you basing this opinion on?
Are you basing your opinion on winning percentage?
Posted on 11/12/24 at 2:14 pm to LSBoosie
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Are you basing your opinion on winning percentage?
Yes, as well as the situation inherited and competition.
As stated, I think 2023 LSU makes the playoff if they're in the Big XII, Kelly has certainly exhibited his ability to make the CFP vs lesser competition in the past.
I try to look a coach in the big picture, cherry picking a year here or there is a fool's errand. Look at the difference in Norvell between this season and last.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 2:18 pm to SidewalkTiger
Ok so you are partially using a transitive property that favors your argument but don’t like it when the transitive property doesn’t help your argument. Gotcha.
As of now, do you think Elko has done a better job than BK? What about Cignetti?
As of now, do you think Elko has done a better job than BK? What about Cignetti?
This post was edited on 11/12/24 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 11/12/24 at 2:22 pm to LSBoosie
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As of now, do you think Elko has done a better job than BK? What about Cignetti?
Hard to say as the season isn't over yet.
Elko inherited a bit better of a situation and has 2 regular season losses when BK had 3, in his first year.
Cignetti is a wild card as they haven't even faced a ranked team yet, I'm not sure if any of their opponents even have a winning record.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 2:22 pm to Phillytiger9
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Phillytiger9
Stfu
Posted on 11/12/24 at 2:26 pm to Tiger2712
Every new season is a new beginning of excitement and dreams. I am not sure Coach Kelly can get us to where we want to be. 3 loss Kelly will not get us in the playoffs. The talent isn’t there.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 2:44 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Elko inherited a bit better of a situation and has 2 regular season losses when BK had 3, in his first year.
Sure, but Texas A&M was 7-6 last year and Elko just beat BK, who is in year 3, by 15.
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Cignetti is a wild card as they haven't even faced a ranked team yet, I'm not sure if any of their opponents even have a winning record.
I’m just using your criteria. Cignetti inherited a worse situation and has a better winning percentage. So the only thing you could really argue is competition, which is partially using transitive property.
This post was edited on 11/12/24 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 11/12/24 at 3:03 pm to LSBoosie
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Sure, but Texas A&M was 7-6 last year and Elko just beat BK who is in year 3 by 15
We can cherry pick that argument to fit anyone.
LSU was 6-7 the year prior to BK and he came in and beat tGOAT Nick Saban in his 16th season or whatever.
This board loves Kiffin and BK beat him in year 1 (Kiffin's year 3) by 25 points.
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I’m just using your criteria. Cignetti inherited a worse situation and has a better winning percentage. So the only thing you could really argue is competition, which is partially using transitive property.
I'm not saying Cignetti is a bad coach, I'm saying I'll need to see a bigger sample size before I believe he's a better coach than the one we already have.
A lot of people said the same thing about Sonny Dykes after he took TCU to the title game in his first season and he's went 11-11 since then.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 3:14 pm to Cuz413
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Indiana has a 1st year HC, OC, DC complete staff.
10-0, 7-0 in conference
Ranked in the top 10
It's possible for a team in year 1 and compete.
frick it, hire their entire staff
With a 6th year QB that had previously started 3 years at Ohio and a schedule where they have faced ZERO ranked teams.
Report back next season and let us know if they have kept it rolling or have fallen back to Earth like TCU and Sonny Dykes.
This post was edited on 11/12/24 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 11/12/24 at 3:24 pm to SidewalkTiger
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We can cherry pick that argument to fit anyone.
LSU was 6-7 the year prior to BK and he came in and beat tGOAT Nick Saban in his 16th season or whatever.
This board loves Kiffin and BK beat him in year 1 (Kiffin's year 3) by 25 points.
I agree, I’m saying there’s not right answer. You can find arguments for both sides no matter what. One data point might help when arguing about one coach, then hurt you when arguing about another.
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I'm not saying Cignetti is a bad coach, I'm saying I'll need to see a bigger sample size before I believe he's a better coach than the one we already have.
Agreed. I’m not going to say that it’s impossible though either just because he has coached less games. The Sonny Dykes thing I don’t know that I totally agree with but I get what you are saying.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 3:26 pm to LSBoosie
IMO coaching hires are always a crapshoot, I think BK was the best option available at the time and will have at least 5 years to prove it.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 3:27 pm to SidewalkTiger
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LSU was 6-7 the year prior to BK and he came in and beat tGOAT Nick Saban in his 16th season or whatever.
This board loves Kiffin and BK beat him in year 1 (Kiffin's year 3) by 25 points.
and LSU is objectively worse now than it was in 2022 when these things happened.
So, what does that say about the direction of the program under Kelly?
Posted on 11/12/24 at 3:28 pm to SidewalkTiger
I agree that hires are almost always a crapshoot. But that’s also why I don’t like the “who would you have hired if you were AD” argument. There are so many things that go into hiring coaches the we as fans are not privy to.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 3:29 pm to Ebridg3
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and LSU is objectively worse now than it was in 2022 when these things happened.
So, what does that say about the direction of the program under Kelly?
How are they "objectively worse"?
Posted on 11/12/24 at 3:33 pm to Phillytiger9
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will be fine
Fine = Equals 10-3
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