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re: Brennan vs Johnson Part II: The Tape
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:11 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:11 pm to Lester Earl
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Will be better this year with improved play calling. He’ll run for 300 yards or so. Kid is athletic. Was dunking a basketball in 8th grade
Sure. If he has 140 carries
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Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:13 pm to Vacherie Saint
I seem to be getting a little anger coming from guys, when I suggest that Brennan isn't going to be the starter. 
Ok, answer this, then:
Brennan WAS the starter, he clearly has the better arm, he's apparently done everything the right way.
Why isn't he already the announced guy?
Ok, answer this, then:
Brennan WAS the starter, he clearly has the better arm, he's apparently done everything the right way.
Why isn't he already the announced guy?
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:14 pm to Lester Earl
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It opens up a whole section of the playbook
The QB draw section? The majority of Burrows runs were improvised.
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The overwhelming majority of elite teams are not winning with QBs like Myles Brennan anymore.
Even if that were true, it has nothing to do with Brady or Peetz. If you run a spread with zone read concepts sure, but the elite spread offenses in CFB are just as dangerous with pocket passers and typically favor passing accuracy over mobility. When you get to Bamas level, you win with guys like Mac Jones just as easily as with guys like Tua.
Brady runs a pro version of spread thats designed around Drew Brees' skill set. He ran it with Teddy and will run it with Darnold. Burrow is the only semi-mobile QB he's ever started.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:16 pm to Scoob
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Why isn't he already the announced guy?
Partly because it's THAT close, but mainly because LSU is at the very real risk of losing 2 of its top 3 Qbs to the transfer portal.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:20 pm to Vacherie Saint
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The QB draw section? The majority of Burrows runs were improvised.
Read options that play into RPO’s & misdirection
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Brady runs a pro version of spread thats designed around Drew Brees' skill set
Lol no. It’s much more college based. Joe Moorehead. He wants his QB be mobile.
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but the elite spread offenses in CFB are just as dangerous with pocket passers and typically favor passing accuracy over mobility.
No they aren’t. Go back & look at the teams playing in the CFB playoff. QBs like Mac Jones are rare. You’re wrong
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:21 pm to Dstllsu
What about Total Yards
Myles 308, 340, 428
Max 291, 480
MsSt (Myles 308) is not much different than Fla (Max's 291)
Vandy/Mizzou (Myles 340/428) compared to OM (Max 480)
Myles 308, 340, 428
Max 291, 480
MsSt (Myles 308) is not much different than Fla (Max's 291)
Vandy/Mizzou (Myles 340/428) compared to OM (Max 480)
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:35 pm to MacReady25
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What about Total Yards
Myles 308, 340, 428
Max 291, 480
MsSt (Myles 308) is not much different than Fla (Max's 291)
Vandy/Mizzou (Myles 340/428) compared to OM (Max 480)
Max rushed for 122 yards. Total.
He had 1069 yards passing on 150 attempts. 10 total tds.
Myles threw for 1112 yards on 131 attempts. 11 tds.
Myles is higher on qbr, on situational stats INCLUDING 3rd down and red zone. There is no argument for Max statistically besides his rushing starts which aren't anything huge. He had 2.2 yards per carry and 2 rushing tds.
The offense also averaged more per play under Myles if you want to break it down to that level. 2 of his starts the offense averaged 7 yards or better PER PLAY.
Even in the Ole Miss game the offense averaged 6.3
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:41 pm to Scoob
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seem to be getting a little anger coming from guys, when I suggest that Brennan isn't going to be the starter
There's some on here that get angry if you disagree with them no matter the topic.
I dont know who will start and honestly its a good problem to have but seems more past players who have been talking on 104.5 are saying its Max.
Now I dont know what they know or who they still talk to but seems weird those guys would come out and its Max if they aren't hearing or seeing things that give them that opinion.
And here come the Myles fans bitching about how no one knows shite on 104.5
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:46 pm to TigerDat
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And here come the Myles fans bitching about how no one knows shite on 104.5
The same 104.5 that had Bianco as the baseball HC? They pumped it for weeks as a fact.....ex players and all.....
LOL
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:52 pm to BayouCowboy
Anyone who wasn't biased could see this. Max has immense potential but he inherited a team that was playing way better by the time he got hold on it than brennan did. Brennan had those first game jitters and then showed immense progression past that. Remember he was on pace to set records before he got hurt. Would he? Who knows. He certainly was lighting up defenses.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:57 pm to Dstllsu
quote:With those numbers, and with Brennan being the returning senior (and Johnson being still a freshman due to covid), why is there any hesitation at all to just name Brennan?
Myles is higher on qbr, on situational stats INCLUDING 3rd down and red zone. There is no argument for Max statistically besides his rushing starts which aren't anything huge. He had 2.2 yards per carry and 2 rushing tds.
Do you honestly think they're worried about Johnson transferring, when he's 99% the 2022 starter already?
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:58 pm to Lester Earl
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Read options that play into RPO’s & misdirection
LSUs RPO plays under Brady were almost never QB runs, and there was very little zone read. The called QB runs were almost all draws. Johnson is nowhere near as athletic as Burrow so keep dreaming.
quote:so Brady learned his offense philosophy from the one season as a grad assistant with Joe fricking Moorhead? Must be why ESPN called Brady's offense "Drew Brees 101". They must have meant "Joe Moorehead 101". You are making shite up at this point.
Lol no. It’s much more college based. Joe Moorehead. He wants his QB be mobile.
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No they aren’t. Go back & look at the teams playing in the CFB playoff. QBs like Mac Jones are rare. You’re wrong
Teams that run zone read? Yes. Teams that run what LSU claims they'll run this season? No. Mobility is not a prerequisite for this system. Bama, UNC, Fla, BYU and others fielded top 10 offenses in the NCAA last year without running QBs. They just need to be able to feel and evade the rush which either LSU qb can do. Brennan actually did that quite well after the MSU debacle.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 11:01 pm to Scoob
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With those numbers, and with Brennan being the returning senior (and Johnson being still a freshman due to covid), why is there any hesitation at all to just name Brennan?
No way anyone here can answer that.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 11:07 pm to Scoob
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Why isn't he already the announced guy?
There is zero benefit to announcing the starter right now no matter which one it is.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 11:09 pm to Dstllsu
I can.
Back up to before Finley hit the portal, because that's when O announced an open competition for the job.
You announce Finley the starter and you lose Max and Miles. You announce Max the starter and you lose Finley and Miles. If you announce Miles the starter, you lose whoever is 3rd string and you are gambling on Brennans rehab being successful. You may still lose Max in that scenario since he could start somewhere else in the SEC next year easily.
The last reason is getting guys to push each other and compete, which is good for everyone.
Back up to before Finley hit the portal, because that's when O announced an open competition for the job.
You announce Finley the starter and you lose Max and Miles. You announce Max the starter and you lose Finley and Miles. If you announce Miles the starter, you lose whoever is 3rd string and you are gambling on Brennans rehab being successful. You may still lose Max in that scenario since he could start somewhere else in the SEC next year easily.
The last reason is getting guys to push each other and compete, which is good for everyone.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 11:12 pm to Dstllsu
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Max rushed for 122 yards. Total.
He had 1069 yards passing on 150 attempts. 10 total tds.
Myles threw for 1112 yards on 131 attempts. 11 tds.
Myles is higher on qbr, on situational stats INCLUDING 3rd down and red zone. There is no argument for Max statistically besides his rushing starts which aren't anything huge. He had 2.2 yards per carry and 2 rushing tds.
The offense also averaged more per play under Myles if you want to break it down to that level. 2 of his starts the offense averaged 7 yards or better PER PLAY.
Even in the Ole Miss game the offense averaged 6.3
Max had another two rushing TD's to add to his total (12 vs 11)
Also when totaling Max's stats, he did go up against both Alabama and Texas A&M who had highly ranked defenses (top 30).
Myles didn't go up against a highly ranked defense in 2020 (MsST ~50th).
His struggles with Ms St is what is worrying most people.
As for QBR, I don't know how it's calculated. No one but ESPN know apparently.
As for Yds Per Play, this can be very "situational" as well depending on the context. It's a criteria which favors Brennan but I'm not sure how significant it is.
As for attributing Max's OM success to Boutte, it would be no different than attributing Myles success to Arik and Terrace (how good would Max have been with them in the lineup).
Posted on 7/14/21 at 11:30 pm to Alt26
Everyone keeps mentioning Florida as being a great opponent and defense which historically they have been. But their pass defense was ranked 100th last year. They weren’t some juggernaut defensive team
Posted on 7/14/21 at 11:40 pm to Lester Earl
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elite teams are not winning with QBs like Myles Brennan anymore
Mac Jones is a speed demon
Posted on 7/14/21 at 11:43 pm to Sterling Archer
I wonder what they were ranked before playing LSU?
Alabama and Oklahoma put up over 1200 yds on the defense in their last two games (assuming bowl games count into the ranking you mention).
Alabama and Oklahoma put up over 1200 yds on the defense in their last two games (assuming bowl games count into the ranking you mention).
Posted on 7/14/21 at 11:52 pm to Vacherie Saint
Thanks. MSU debacle I would contribute #1 to our porous defense and #2 little to no time practicing the offense with an entire new cast. Last year was a wash, the bright side is that we got much needed reps and our backup QB has been game tested. Time to move on people.
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