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re: Brennan vs Johnson Part II: The Tape
Posted on 7/15/21 at 11:56 pm to Datbayoubengal
Posted on 7/15/21 at 11:56 pm to Datbayoubengal
quote:
Myles can attack the entire field.
I still haven’t heard a good answer for this:
Myles had a better arm than Burrow, meaning he could attack the entire field better than Burrow.
Max has a weaker arm, more comparable to Burrow, but can move more like Burrow than Myles can.
So why all of a sudden is being able to attack the entire field the deciding factor when it clearly wasn’t in 18 and 19? Why all of a sudden the emphasis on arm strength? It’s more than a fair question and always just gets a downvote and a big zero under “replies.”
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Posted on 7/15/21 at 11:57 pm to Scoob
Falling to 3rd or even 4th and being behind a guy your own age is usually a good reason to transfer
Posted on 7/16/21 at 12:03 am to Nix to Twillie
quote:
I still haven’t heard a good answer for this:
Myles had a better arm than Burrow, meaning he could attack the entire field better than Burrow.
Max has a weaker arm, more comparable to Burrow, but can move more like Burrow than Myles can.
So why all of a sudden is being able to attack the entire field the deciding factor when it clearly wasn’t in 18 and 19? Why all of a sudden the emphasis on arm strength? It’s more than a fair question and always just gets a downvote and this’ll a big zero under “replies.
Because Burrow had other intangibles that made up for his lack of arm strength that Max doesn't have at this point in his career.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 12:04 am to SidewalkTiger
Thanks for the response!
What intangibles, and does Brennan have them?
What intangibles, and does Brennan have them?
Posted on 7/16/21 at 12:06 am to Nix to Twillie
quote:
Thanks for the response!
What intangibles, and does Brennan have them?
Mostly the mental aspect of the game, not sure if Brennan has it but Brennan also doesn't have the same arm deficiency.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 12:14 am to SidewalkTiger
As far as the mental aspect, I think it's fair to give the benefit of the doubt to a true freshman with only two starts. I agree with you that it's unclear whether Brennan has it, and when it's hard to see who has the mental edge between said true freshman and a four-year veteran, that should tell you something. The arm deficiency of Max shouldn't bother anyone after watching Burrow.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 12:15 am to SammyTiger
quote:He was 2nd behind Brennan last year, first chance to start.
Falling to 3rd or even 4th and being behind a guy your own age is usually a good reason to transfer
The two weren't necessarily competing against each other, per se. Johnson is way ahead mentally, Finley is far better physically. If you could get Finley to a point where he's in shouting distance with the reads, he probably takes the lead. He's got the arm you want.
If Brennan was still decisively ahead of both, you have the luxury of developing Finley another year, knowing Johnson can be a decent backup option.
I think what happened is, Brennan ISN'T separating from Johnson.
If Johnson is the starter, and performs as competently as he did last year when given the chance, he doesn't come off the field- Finley's time is up. Brennan is the backup this year, Johnson is penciled in for the next couple, Nuss is the backup then, and you groom him and Howard for the next competition.
Finley goes to Auburn for a chance to replace Nix in a year.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 12:18 am to Nix to Twillie
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The arm deficiency of Max shouldn't bother anyone after watching Burrow.
Max's arm isn't even as good as Burrow's right now.
The playcalling was very limited with Max in, most here just can't see it because he only started two games and Florida and Ole Miss didn't have great pass defenses.
It's very similar to how this board was praising Finley as the next Cam Newton after the South Carolina game.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 12:20 am to Hold That Tiger 10
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Are we just going to ignore the historically bad defense we had? That doesn't fit your narrative though, so we will leave that out.
No, that counts. As does the end of the Mizzou game. But I guess that doesn't fit your narrative. See, I can play that too. "Muh narrative" is a stupid way to argue about this.
This post was edited on 7/16/21 at 12:23 am
Posted on 7/16/21 at 12:22 am to Nix to Twillie
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As does the end of the Mizzou game. But I guess that doesn't fit your narrative.
You mean when the offensive line couldn't get any push so LSU was forced to throw from the goal line?
Very tough to pass inside the 5.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 12:24 am to SidewalkTiger
Even if Florida didn't have the pass D we're used to seeing from them, Max's win over the #6 team on the road in a hostile environment (even with a limited crowd) in his first start should be held in much, MUCH higher regard than TJ against South Carolina.
And are we sure that Max's arm is weaker than Joe's? They seem pretty close to me, but we're both just eye-balling it, so I don't think either of us can say for sure.
And are we sure that Max's arm is weaker than Joe's? They seem pretty close to me, but we're both just eye-balling it, so I don't think either of us can say for sure.
This post was edited on 7/16/21 at 12:26 am
Posted on 7/16/21 at 12:30 am to SidewalkTiger
quote:
Very tough to pass inside the 5.
A QB run could have helped. Something Max does.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 12:34 am to lsupride87
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I mean your IQ is even lower than I thought if you are putting even 0.000001% of the blame of a loss on a QB
So the QB bears no responsibility for the end of the game?
As bad as the D was, it was still ours to win, and we choked. Any QB worth a damn will tell you it's his responsibility to finish that drive.
We didn't.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 12:35 am to Nix to Twillie
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A QB run could have helped. Something Max does.
They couldn't open any holes for the backs, not sure why that would've been any different had the quarterback tried it
Posted on 7/16/21 at 12:38 am to SidewalkTiger
Not if he's trying to plunge up the middle, but no zone read? No bootleg with an option to throw or run? A running QB gives you much more options in that situation. Not saying Max should have played then--just pointing out how limited you are with a statue at QB.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 6:03 am to Scoob
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He was 2nd behind Brennan last year, first chance to start.
And then he was benched and Johnson put himself in a position to compete with Brennan.
I dont disagree that Finley could develop into a really good QB, but he’s clearly not sticking around to see if he ultimately beats out Johnson.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 8:31 am to Nix to Twillie
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Not if he's trying to plunge up the middle, but no zone read? No bootleg with an option to throw or run? A running QB gives you much more options in that situation. Not saying Max should have played then--just pointing out how limited you are with a statue at QB.
I mean the dude had a torn abdomen.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 8:42 am to Nix to Twillie
I would Call Myles a dual threat but he’s not that unathletic. The guy can run a fricking bootleg.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 9:04 am to Nix to Twillie
quote:
Myles can attack the entire field.
I still haven’t heard a good answer for this:
Myles had a better arm than Burrow, meaning he could attack the entire field better than Burrow.
Max has a weaker arm, more comparable to Burrow, but can move more like Burrow than Myles can.
So why all of a sudden is being able to attack the entire field the deciding factor when it clearly wasn’t in 18 and 19? Why all of a sudden the emphasis on arm strength? It’s more than a fair question and always just gets a downvote and a big zero under “replies.”
Attacking the entire field is a lot more about finding the open receiver whether it's your first or third option than arm strength. Last year, this could have been a matter of them simplifying the offense for Johnson and telling him WR1, WR2, or tuck. Or it might have been Johnson not being able to check through his progressions. Either way, his ability to spread the field was completely expected for a freshman.
Even if Brennan wins the starting job, Johnson needs an offensive package for short yardage or goal line situations (think Leak/Tebow).
I think it's a lot more important no matter who starts to have a good run game to take the pressure off either QB. A good running game against South Carolina made Finley look like he would run away with the starting job.
Posted on 7/16/21 at 9:09 am to KamaCausey_LSU
And the fact that Burrow is an incredibly accurate QB who could also launch it deep.
The argument for Max is literally JUST..he can run.
And I think he’ll be a great starter next year when he’s more ready.
The argument for Max is literally JUST..he can run.
And I think he’ll be a great starter next year when he’s more ready.
This post was edited on 7/16/21 at 9:10 am
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