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Breakdown of Production By QB
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:25 pm
Vs. Tennessee, despite some misconceptions, the offense actually functioned better while JJ was in at QB. More yards per play, better rushing etc.
There was a 20 some odd page thread I started devoted to it and I promised to follow up with the same number this week, regardless of outcome.
My only interest is the success of the LSU offense. I could care less who quarterbacks. Just give me whoever gives us the best shot to win.
Here's the breakdown:
Rushing:
With JJ:
184 total yards
28 carries for 84 yards
3.0 ypc
12 pass attempts for 100 yards
4.6 yards per play
2 TDs
1 INT
With Lee:
201 total yards
16 carries for 77 yards
4.8 ypc
11 pass attempts for 124 yards
7.4 yards per play
2 TDs
I keep seeing people saying "4 Lee drives 4 TDs. It's so obvious!"
That's stupid, for a number of reasons.
1) You can't just make assumptions that things will happen. If both guys played on a drive, both deserve credit for their contributions.
2) Field position is always a major determinant to the success/failure of drives.
At the end of the day, the offense was simply more efficient with Lee at the helm. We gained more yards per play. He was more accurate as a passer. We ran the ball better. However, acting like the offense was an abortion with Jefferson at the helm is truly a misnomer.
This is something I plan to monitor throughout the duration of the two QB system.
There was a 20 some odd page thread I started devoted to it and I promised to follow up with the same number this week, regardless of outcome.
My only interest is the success of the LSU offense. I could care less who quarterbacks. Just give me whoever gives us the best shot to win.
Here's the breakdown:
Rushing:
With JJ:
184 total yards
28 carries for 84 yards
3.0 ypc
12 pass attempts for 100 yards
4.6 yards per play
2 TDs
1 INT
With Lee:
201 total yards
16 carries for 77 yards
4.8 ypc
11 pass attempts for 124 yards
7.4 yards per play
2 TDs
I keep seeing people saying "4 Lee drives 4 TDs. It's so obvious!"
That's stupid, for a number of reasons.
1) You can't just make assumptions that things will happen. If both guys played on a drive, both deserve credit for their contributions.
2) Field position is always a major determinant to the success/failure of drives.
At the end of the day, the offense was simply more efficient with Lee at the helm. We gained more yards per play. He was more accurate as a passer. We ran the ball better. However, acting like the offense was an abortion with Jefferson at the helm is truly a misnomer.
This is something I plan to monitor throughout the duration of the two QB system.
This post was edited on 10/12/10 at 3:19 pm
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Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:26 pm to OBUDan
Well researched.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:28 pm to OBUDan
quote:
acting like the offense was an abortion with Jefferson at the helm is truly a misnomer.
Why dont u go break down the drives for the entire year with JJ at the helm, vs the numbers of any other ranked team. Would be willing to bet large sums of money he ranks 25th.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:29 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
Offense obviously performed better with Lee at the helm. No surprise here.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:30 pm to LSU-MNCBABY
Because he's only comparing the production in the two QB system, and that's the last two games.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:30 pm to CarlockLSU
quote:
Offense obviously performed better with Lee at the helm. No surprise here.
Yep, much better. There is no QB controversy.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:31 pm to CarlockLSU
Lee leading us down the field, and Jefferson coming in and calling the wrong play, doesn't get me all warm and tingly about Jefferson. Please see his first TD and watch Faulk and Miles as he comes off the field.
There's nothing JJ does that Spencer Ware/Russell Shepard couldn't do.
Case closed.
There's nothing JJ does that Spencer Ware/Russell Shepard couldn't do.
Case closed.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:35 pm to jackson123
quote:
re's nothing JJ does that Spencer Ware/Russell Shepard couldn't do.
not entirely true. if Lee is QB and hands off, that takes away an extra blocker we might have if JJ was in.
Unless youre referring to them taking the direct snap... then theres no threat to pass.
At least with JJ there is a passing threat. we just dont know which team will catch it.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:36 pm to OBUDan
Lee driving us to inside the 10, and Jefferson having to double check the play while under center doesn't give anyone confidence in JJ.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:36 pm to OBUDan
I give Jefferson all the credit he deserves for running the ball effectively. He made a few nice throws as well. He really is improving at running the qb choice, and these guys should be even better as the year progresses.
I do, however, give Lee a ton of credit for the drives that he played on. The first Jefferson touchdown came after a nice drive by the Lee offense. On Jefferson's 2nd td, it came after Mo's interception and a 12 yard pass by Lee.
At this point, I think Miles needs to start Lee and see how the offense looks with him for the majority of snaps (I think it was something like 36 for JJ, 36 for JL against Florida). McNeese probably won't give much of a measure of how the offense is, but IMO some real good can come from Lee being this team's quarterback.
It's fair to say at this point that Lee is more important to the offense than Jefferson.
I'll keep pulling for both of them. Lee passing specialist/JJ goalline/short yardage specialist.
Very impressed with JL's maturity and very impressed with JJ's ever-improving running ability
eta: Is anyone really going to argue that the offense isn't better with Lee? It's no coincidence that the drops have basically disappeared and the offense just put up 434 yards and 385 yards against SEC foes in back to back weeks with Lee in the games.
I do, however, give Lee a ton of credit for the drives that he played on. The first Jefferson touchdown came after a nice drive by the Lee offense. On Jefferson's 2nd td, it came after Mo's interception and a 12 yard pass by Lee.
At this point, I think Miles needs to start Lee and see how the offense looks with him for the majority of snaps (I think it was something like 36 for JJ, 36 for JL against Florida). McNeese probably won't give much of a measure of how the offense is, but IMO some real good can come from Lee being this team's quarterback.
It's fair to say at this point that Lee is more important to the offense than Jefferson.
I'll keep pulling for both of them. Lee passing specialist/JJ goalline/short yardage specialist.
Very impressed with JL's maturity and very impressed with JJ's ever-improving running ability
eta: Is anyone really going to argue that the offense isn't better with Lee? It's no coincidence that the drops have basically disappeared and the offense just put up 434 yards and 385 yards against SEC foes in back to back weeks with Lee in the games.
This post was edited on 10/12/10 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:40 pm to Boh
If Lee is good enough to WIN the last two games, why is he not good enough to start and go all the way....
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:42 pm to jackson123
quote:
There's nothing JJ does that Spencer Ware/Russell Shepard couldn't do.
Complete bs. JJ is like a fullback compared to those guys. RS is still a reciever in my eyes. not a in between runner. Some of you act as if rs is felix jones or d mcfadden, when that is so far from the truth.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:48 pm to dgnx6
quote:
JJ is like a fullback compared to those guys
Jordan Jefferson 6'5 224 per lsusports.net
Spencer Ware 5'11 225 per lsusports.net
You sure? That's why I put Spencer Ware in there. And you sure RS can't throw. Go to the 3 min mark. And no, he doesn't look like a D1 QB, but he doesn't have to when you can run like he can.
RS Throwing
know your facts...
This post was edited on 10/12/10 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:51 pm to jackson123
he starts throwing like 2 minutes in if its the same highlight video thats been posted before...
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:54 pm to OBUDan
These stats are quite the eye opener. I dont see how Lee wouldnt get more snaps at this point.
I see no problem with testing the spread option with JJ to see if a defense can stop it, but we need to get Lee some work before Auburn. That D is good. Their rushing D is almost as good as ours, only allowing 15 more yards per game.
Their passing defense however is not very good. They are ranked 70th.
If we are to beat Auburn, it will have to be through the air. Lets get lee some work this weekend.
I see no problem with testing the spread option with JJ to see if a defense can stop it, but we need to get Lee some work before Auburn. That D is good. Their rushing D is almost as good as ours, only allowing 15 more yards per game.
Their passing defense however is not very good. They are ranked 70th.
If we are to beat Auburn, it will have to be through the air. Lets get lee some work this weekend.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:55 pm to WelcomeToDeathValley
quote:
he starts throwing like 2 minutes in if its the same highlight video thats been posted before..
Wherever you like to look works. I just don't buy that he can't throw 5 yards. He could literally underhand the thing because defenses would be so surprised he was throwing.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:58 pm to LSU-MNCBABY
quote:
Why dont u go break down the drives for the entire year with JJ at the helm, vs the numbers of any other ranked team.
This thread isn't about the offense for the year.
It's about the offense for this game.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 3:01 pm to OBUDan
quote:
It's about the offense for this game
Highest point output (33)
Highest YPA (9.33)
Highest # of offensive touchdowns (4)
... oh by the way, AT Florida
Hopefully we can get even better against McNeese in prep for Auburn
Posted on 10/12/10 at 3:02 pm to BobBoucher
quote:
I see no problem with testing the spread option with JJ to see if a defense can stop it, but we need to get Lee some work before Auburn. That D is good. Their rushing D is almost as good as ours, only allowing 15 more yards per game.
Yeah, I very much agree.
Historically, I've been wholly opposed to 2 QBs, but for our guys it seems to work in some strange way. I know a lot of people here are saying "With Lee we win every game by 10,000 points." But that remains to be seen.
Part of the reason for the success, in my eyes is that both are so different that it's hard to really develop a defensive gameplan. And by continuing to have JJ throw it 10-12 times a game (much to the bane of our fanbase), defenses can't just solely disregard that element of his game (whereas I think if you had Shep/Ware back there, they could).
Going forward, Lee should be the man. But I don't think JJ should be ignored either. He's almost like a nice change of pace back.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 3:03 pm to Boh
I would say that was definitely our best offensive performance to date. Only one major miscue (JJ's interception), compared to several last week. Everything else was just blowjobs and parades this week.
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