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re: Brandon Harris under Coach Urban Meyer

Posted on 10/19/16 at 7:05 am to
Posted by TigerinDunbarton
Dunbarton
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Posted on 10/19/16 at 7:05 am to
Lmao. You think urban will go after him? Lmao
Posted by prepsportsallday
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2013
3654 posts
Posted on 10/19/16 at 7:07 am to
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Lmao. You think urban will go after him? Lmao


No laughs. Already has. Maybe you don't watch Ohio state. It's a fit.
This post was edited on 10/19/16 at 7:09 am
Posted by TigerinDunbarton
Dunbarton
Member since Sep 2016
1735 posts
Posted on 10/19/16 at 7:10 am to
Lmao. We know Harris is your boy. BH is a terrible runner and goes down easily. Etling is better at running than Harris, and when it comes to escaping pressure, it is even worse in favor of etling. Look, I admire your devout allegiance to BH. He needs to go to a small school. I'm sorry, and I wish him the best. He is better than over 90% of Louisiana high school qbs, and that is quite an accomplishment. He just isn't a big time sec qb. I'm sorry.
Posted by TigerinDunbarton
Dunbarton
Member since Sep 2016
1735 posts
Posted on 10/19/16 at 7:11 am to
Lmao. We know Harris is your boy. BH is a terrible runner and goes down easily. Etling is better at running than Harris, and when it comes to escaping pressure, it is even worse in favor of etling. Look, I admire your devout allegiance to BH. He needs to go to a small school. I'm sorry, and I wish him the best. He is better than over 90% of Louisiana high school qbs, and that is quite an accomplishment. He just isn't a big time sec qb. I'm sorry.
Posted by Mikethegreat
Member since Sep 2016
375 posts
Posted on 10/19/16 at 7:22 am to
Made it cause Pryor has made the switch to WR in the pros. Not nearly as easy as he thinks it is though
Posted by bluephi1914
Member since Jul 2016
204 posts
Posted on 10/19/16 at 7:22 am to
he cant throw with accuracy and he hasn't looked too agile running with the ball the few times that he has done it. im not sure but there are a lot of stories of all world high school players and total duds in college, different game different results. he should just transfer to ull and give himself a shot at the combine. barring injury he is done as a tiger qb.
Posted by prepsportsallday
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2013
3654 posts
Posted on 10/19/16 at 7:25 am to
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Lmao. We know Harris is your boy. BH is a terrible runner and goes down easily. Etling is better at running than Harris, and when it comes to escaping pressure, it is even worse in favor of etling. Look, I admire your devout allegiance to BH. He needs to go to a small school. I'm sorry, and I wish him the best. He is better than over 90% of Louisiana high school qbs, and that is quite an accomplishment.


Not my boy. If also defend DE for what he does well, and and scramble is not one of them. Refuse to use J'ville State, USM, and Muzzou as my measurement. Brandons mistake has been that he's gone too far to try to prove he is a pure pocket passer. Big mistake. He is not. As a grad transfer, he will right at a one and done P5 that lacks depth whose system is more dual threat friendly. Does he fit here, no.

Are there better systems for him, yes. When he decides to take off with the ball, to compare DE and BH is ridiculous.

Let's return after this SEC stretch. We can re/visit the DE running ability convo. BH has scrambled and ran zone reads to the house against some of the opponents we have left to play.
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 10/19/16 at 7:27 am to
Place kicker too
Posted by DBU
Member since Mar 2014
19059 posts
Posted on 10/19/16 at 7:28 am to
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If also defend DE for what he does well, and and scramble is not one of them. Refuse to use J'ville State, USM, and Muzzou as my measurement.

Posted by prepsportsallday
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2013
3654 posts
Posted on 10/19/16 at 7:32 am to
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He just isn't a big time sec qb. I'm sorry.


According to the media, there aren't any big time SEC QBs except chad Kelly, and true frosh Jalen Hurt, who by the way is struggling from the pocket. But wait, he has a coach who has adjusted his system to the who he has. Running is encouraged. Jalen has struggled mightily with his throwing.

Let's stop acting like elite SEC QB are great passers. It's a running league. Recently the most notable guys have been runners. Tebow, Dak, Vols QBs, Newton, etc. with offense built around their strengths, and YES vertical passing.

This offense, under Miles, had been built around the run game, and GUESS what ? Vertical low percentage passes.
This post was edited on 10/19/16 at 7:36 am
Posted by TigerinDunbarton
Dunbarton
Member since Sep 2016
1735 posts
Posted on 10/19/16 at 8:09 am to
Just give it up Brandon. I wish you the best.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48067 posts
Posted on 10/19/16 at 9:25 am to
To be a good spread qb you have to be able to hit on short and intermediate passes. Harris is inaccurate on these passes.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48067 posts
Posted on 10/19/16 at 9:26 am to
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Refuse to use J'ville State, USM, and Muzzou as my measurement.


Lol. Of course you do.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 10/19/16 at 9:51 am to
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No laughs. Already has. Maybe you don't watch Ohio state. It's a fit.


JT is a senior next year. Harris isn't transferring to Ohio State to sit behind Barrett, Dwayne Haskins and Joe Burrow which is what would happen.
Posted by Quid Pro Quo
SEC
Member since Dec 2013
541 posts
Posted on 10/19/16 at 10:13 am to
Etling looked good vs last-in-the SEC Mizzou. That record game was a carbon copy of the SCAR game last year (82 plays vs 83 plays, 634 yds vs 624 yds).

He looked good in the 3rd Qtr vs 82nd Roster Southern Miss 45-10, but so did Frank Wilson with his 94th Roster UTSA who at 3-3 beat Southern Miss the week before 55-32.

Are we comparing JVS, Mizzou, and UTSA to ranked OM, ALA, ARK, FLA, and TAMU?

Get Real.

Our DTQBs and O-Line have not been challenged since WISC/AUB and we are lucky to be ranked. The next 5 games are vs ranked SEC teams.


Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
16414 posts
Posted on 10/19/16 at 10:15 am to
The only thing that stands out about Harris is his arm strength. He is nowhere near athletic enough to be a WR. For him it's QB or bust.
Posted by Quid Pro Quo
SEC
Member since Dec 2013
541 posts
Posted on 10/19/16 at 10:36 am to
Rickdaddy4188 / JaxTiger10: "To be a good spread qb you have to be able to hit on short and intermediate passes. Harris is inaccurate on these passes."

Harvey Williams LSU 5th all-time rusher: "You create an environment so hostile for Harris, you make practice a lot harder than the games. You can't put that Wisc loss on him. You've got to put that on Cam Cameron. What does Cam Cameron make, $1.5 million? He ought to give $1.2 of it back."

BH was 7-0 last yr never trailing in a game and set scoring records as a FR running a spread option O w/63 pts on 9 drives - 100% Scoring Efficiency. At WISC he was back under center, like AUB 2014, behind an injured O-Line, was Sacked 3 times and hurried 8 times and made the Scapegoat as was Dupre who was mauled by double and triple coverage out of 2 WR sets.

At 7-0, Harris had averaged 68% vs SCAR, MSST, AU, FLA, leading up to the ALA game. He faced a lot of 3rd and longs and QBHs but 0 INTs. ALA/ARK: 18 of his 25 pass attempts were 3rd and 8+ yds and he was pressured/hit on 50% of his dropbacks and sacked 10 times. ALA: He was injured on the 1st 40 yd TD to Dural.

In the 7-0 run up to ALA, ARK, and OM, Harris faced long 3rd downs averaging 8+ yds, converting 44%. That is a tall order for Joe Montana to quote McFarland.

It got worse in the ALA and ARK games as he faced 17 of 25 3rd downs of 8+ yds, converting 3 of the 17 for 18% while he converted 75% or 6 of 8 of the 3rd downs of 5 yds or less. Behind a run-oriented run-blocking OL that failed all year at the much more difficult task of pass protection, Harris was sacked/hit 8 times vs ALA, injuring his shoulder, knee, and groin, and 5 times vs ARK, and constantly threw under pressure to well-covered receivers.

Short passes over the middle have never been Cameron's forte. Plus in 3rd and long and without tempo/HUNH, motion, crossing patterns, rubs and a variety of sets in spread 3+WR sets, there are not going to be a lot of mismatches and the middle is not going to be open.


quote:

Brandon Harris Top Graded QB in SEC

The strength of Harris’ passing this season has been working the middle of the field between the numbers on passes of 10 or more yards, working in behind the safeties and linebackers who have moved up in the box to defend Fournette’s runs. Harris has completed 13 of 26 passes in this range for 395 yards, earning a +5.5 PFF passing grade on these throws. Compare that to SEC West rival Jake Coker (who gets to work off of star Alabama RB Derrick Henry’s ground attack), who has gone 13-of-34 for 318 yards on those throws, but has tossed five interceptions as well, earning a -1.2 grade (although Coker has been even worse on throws closer to the line of scrimmage).


quote:

Most accurate QB under pressure: Brandon Harris, LSU

He didn’t have the highest completion percentage on throws under pressure, but Harris suffered from his receivers dropping seven passes. Under pressure, now returning SEC quarterback had a higher adjusted completion percentage than Harris’ 67.2 percent.

Runner-up: Chad Kelly, Ole Miss


Posted by Chimlim
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2005
17773 posts
Posted on 10/19/16 at 10:46 am to
Harris would have been an excellent QB in almost any other competent offensive system. Where they practice things like crossing routes, short to mid-range passing, 5 step drops, etc.. However, under Miles it has seemed the longer a QB plays, the worse he gets. With Mett being the one exception, and he had 2 supremely talented WRs who consistently made incredible catches. The offensive scheme Harris has played under has been terrible.
This post was edited on 10/19/16 at 10:47 am
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
12650 posts
Posted on 10/19/16 at 10:57 am to
He would get broken in half at WR
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
12650 posts
Posted on 10/19/16 at 11:00 am to
Here's the sad truth on BH. He's got a cannon arm but not much else. And there's a lot more needed to be a successful QB in college. Miles and co. were infatuated by the arm strength (as was everybody when he was a HS recruit) but didnt realize accuracy, intelligence, escapability, pocket presence, commanding the offense, etc are equally and even more important.
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