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Posted on 2/12/09 at 4:15 pm to
Posted by Chrome
Chromeville
Member since Nov 2007
12498 posts
Posted on 2/12/09 at 4:15 pm to
Have to admit TJ has created tremendous amount of buzz in this town for the program. I heard good things about TJ but never thought it would take off like this.
Posted by Ice Cold
Over Macho Grande
Member since Jun 2004
18853 posts
Posted on 2/12/09 at 4:21 pm to
But ...

but ...

but ...

he was dealing with DRACONIAN SANCTIONS!!!
Posted by NOLA Tiger
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2006
840 posts
Posted on 2/12/09 at 5:15 pm to
Wow!...where do I begin...John Brady is a great fit for Samford or Arkansas State, but not LSU. He was in over his head from day one....he won a few a games and made one good run in the tournament, but he never figured out how to be the basketball coach for the flagship program in Louisiana. You can be an a-hole if you are Nick Saban and can build a quality program that produces, but when you are John Brady and only have a winning team every 3-4 years you are going to lose fans and support.
Brady had Butch Pierre bring in his talent and he ran off a good bit of it to the point that he only had 7 players contributing every year. And lets not forget how many really good high school players left Louisiana over the year to go elsewhere.
The year he made the run to the Final Four, he had a team full of kids that developed a great chemistry over years of playing together in AAU. Lets also not forget that Brady didn’t even have future NBA lottery pick Tyrus Thomas in the starting lineup at the beginning of that year.
Beyond the Xs and O’s the guy had the personality and temperament of a trailer park deadbeat. He berated the players and sulked on the sidelines like a whinny 13 year old bitch. He never represented LSU in way that made me proud. You can blame Dale Brown for probation and say many things about him, but he was first class.
Trent Johnson represents LSU with class and has a great demeanor. He actually coaches the kids during the game instead of screaming in their faces.
I guess I can thank Brady for helping bring the program through probation and the post-probation period, but he stayed way too long and now we have the right guy to build a program around.
Posted by tiger20
Member since Dec 2004
5508 posts
Posted on 2/12/09 at 5:29 pm to
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Who did Brady bring in in his 1 recruiting class?


Brady's first recruiting class was a group of JUCO players cobbled together when he was hired in March of 1997 too late to recruit any high school players of significance. He signed:

Willie Anderson ( double figure scorer)
Cedric Carter ( Averaged 7 rebounds as undersized center)
Chico Potts ( backup forward)
Brian Beshara transferred from Rice
Dejuan Collins (Starting PG beat Florida with shot at buzzer then was dismissed after breaking Brian Beshara's jaw)


Trent Johnson was hired in late March also.

His only signee was Chris Bass.
He lost Brady signee Jmison Morgan a five star center wh oasked for and received a release from his LOI.
He also lost Brady commitments for 2009 Tommy Griffin a 4 star PG and Brandon Mitchell a 3 star SG.

In his second recruiting year and first uner normal circumstances, with NCAA investigations ongoing Brady signed
Stromile Swift future All American and SEC POY
Jabari Smith All SEC center
Jermaine Williams part time starter and excellent 6th man
Marquis Ledoux 4 star forward
Omar seli Mance
Darryl Cooper
Bryan Helquist
Brad Bridgewater 2 year starter

In his second class to date Johnson has signed

Aaron Dotson 4 star gurad
Eddie Ludwig 3 sstr forward

I believe Brady leads pending Johnson's signings this spring.

This post was edited on 2/12/09 at 5:50 pm
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
75806 posts
Posted on 2/12/09 at 5:37 pm to
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Brandon Mitchell a 3 star SG


this is the same guy who just signed a football LOI with Arkansas. I don't think that really counts as Johnson losing him. I would be willing to bet that if he had been offered by LSU for football and basketball, he would be in Baton Rouge in the fall.
Posted by lsutothetop
TigerDroppings Elite
Member since Jul 2008
11323 posts
Posted on 2/12/09 at 5:37 pm to
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Clueless Brady apologists - don't ya just love 'em?

As a neutral observer, I'm more impressed with the way tiger20 handled that than you foaming-at-the-mouth attack hounds. You can have your own opinion, but what make you think you have the right to make ad hominem attacks on other posters?
Posted by tiger20
Member since Dec 2004
5508 posts
Posted on 2/12/09 at 5:56 pm to
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I remember when Clark Kellogg said that there wasn't a player in the nation like Tyrus Thomas during that UCONN game, Brady's response was that he didn't think Clark Kellogg has seen all the players in the nation. He didn't respond with "Tyrus is something else" or "He's a heck of an athlete people should be excited to watch", he pretty much said "if you look hard enough I'm sure you'll find another guy like him


Clark Kellogg did not have to coach Tyrus, Brady did. You ever stop to think maybe Brady was trying to avoid Tyrus getting a an inflated ego over what a national sportscaster said about him and losing his focus.
Posted by Jackfish28
Mobile
Member since Feb 2007
2112 posts
Posted on 2/12/09 at 6:19 pm to
I dont know much about round ball, but i do listen to sports Radio and Know taht Bill King and a lot of those gusy do, and the quote I heard him say yesterday was "That he was an outstanding coach." which he said with excitement in talking about who bama should fire problems at Uk etc
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 2/13/09 at 12:20 am to
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As usual, you idiots still don't get it. Your so called Bashers never had the power to fire Brady; only the administration has that power. The only power the Bashers had over the past 5 or 6 years was to Bash Brady and scare off potential talent from the program--job well done.


Whatever. You are the clueless geek who still thinks Greg Monroe was even really considering LSU. Guess what...G'town or Duke or LSU? Gee, tough one.

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The Bashers didn't care what effect they had on the recruiting program during Brady's tenure, and they didn't care if we ever won championships. Actually, they were happy when we lost.


John Brady is a big boy. Tigerdroppings.com had ZERO effect on recruits. John Brady had an effect on recruits. He did well, reelin' a lot of 'em in; he just couldn't keep in in the boat. How many times does this go through your empty head and float into space?


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If Brady was coaching this season, and he had gotten the team to over achieve this year, as he had many times in the past with a lot younger and less experienced players than we have this year, the Bashers would still be saying he needs to win in the first round of the NCAA or be fired.





His only 3 good teams:

2000 - A senior, a junior, a lotto pick sophomore, a senior, and a freshman. Hmm...sounds experienced to me.

2005 - A lotto pick junior, a freshman, a 2 year starter a sophomore pg, a junior, and a senior...sounds experienced to me.

2006 - Senior, Lotto pick freshman, junior, freshman, freshman...here's your only beef and we all know that mattered NOT, as that was the best frontline in college basketball.

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Thank god you idots are not saying that about Johnson. We have met the enemy and they are us.


Keep smokin the clorox or whatever it is that gets you so high.





Brady had limited (at best) public relations skills. But he was (and is) hated because he couldn't win games, not because he was an arse.


Says you. Your opinion is not necessarily mine. He couldn't win (a) because he was (b). Losing games can happen to anyone. It's how you lose them and why that matters. Dale Brown loses 30 games with the 1989 team and it wouldn't have ben a shocker. Instead he won 20.
Posted by LSUBEATLES
Brentwood, Tennessee
Member since Jan 2006
3175 posts
Posted on 2/13/09 at 12:28 am to
I admit Brady's team is doing pretty well this year (both of them). You people are so short- sighted it is . Don't forget to duck, TJ!!!

Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 2/13/09 at 1:09 am to


Trent's winning with Brady's players. Too bad Brady couldn't!
Posted by LSUBEATLES
Brentwood, Tennessee
Member since Jan 2006
3175 posts
Posted on 2/13/09 at 1:20 am to
No injuries, a year of maturity (Spencer, etc.), the SEC is HORRIBLE. What's so hard to understand. NEGATIGERS trashed Spencer last year. A year of maturity makes a big difference. NEGATIGERS always said that should not matter under Brady. Spencer = Bass and Warren in his first year. Another NEGATIGER theory up in
Posted by whodatigahbait
Uptown
Member since Oct 2007
1833 posts
Posted on 2/13/09 at 1:41 am to
Everyone is misssing the point. My biggest gripe with brady was him running players off from teh program. I don't have the figures handy but i want to say that somethign like 25 players did not complete their eligibility with brady (and that DOES NOT include NBA draftees). That is waaaaaaaaaaaay too many. I do not want to hear the excuse shape or ship out. That is not an excuse being that Brady recruited these kids to begin with. If they were that big of thugs they he shouldn't have offered him. Brady served his purpose in getting LSU through a tough time when no one else would take the job and I will give him that however to think that he is a great coach is ludicrous. But in the end the reason he got canned was because he alienated himself from the fans, community, players, adn the athletice department.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12719 posts
Posted on 2/13/09 at 2:02 am to
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Losing games can happen to anyone. It's how you lose them and why that matters.
Yes, that is the point. Not whether you're a stand up guy, have good people skills, laugh and joke with the cameras, etc.

In thirty-plus years of my following LSU sports, there has never -- never -- been a coach that won consistently at LSU that wasn't well liked by their fan base. Likewise, there has never -- never -- been a coach that consistently lost at LSU that was well liked by their fan base. And there have been at least three times that I can think of where the same coach was well liked at a point in his tenure at LSU when he was winning, and then was despised at a point in his tenure when he was losing (Archer, Brown and DiNardo).

One successful coach might be more beloved than another because of superior "people skills", or one failing coach might be more reviled than another failing coach because of worse "people skills," but no failing coach is going to be liked more than a successful one, no matter how much of an arse the winner is or how much of a "great guy" the loser is.

And, no, this is not limited to LSU by any means. I would be surprised if there were any collection of sports fans in the world for whom this was not true.

Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12719 posts
Posted on 2/13/09 at 2:07 am to
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But in the end the reason he got canned was because he alienated himself from the fans, community, players, adn the athletice department.
I disagree. He was canned because he followed up a Final Four season with back to back losing seasons 8 or so years after the sanctions were gone. Two more Final Fours in '07 and '08 and he would obviously still be the coach, no matter how much he alienated the fans and department. But with the horrible record he had those last two years, he could have been Mr. Congeniality and still would have gotten canned.

Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12719 posts
Posted on 2/13/09 at 2:11 am to
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Another NEGATIGER theory up in
My personal favorite was the ranting during the '04-'05 season about how Brady had "wasted a scholarship" on that Tyrus Thomas reject, followed up in the '05-'06 season by the same people ranting about how stupid Brady was for redshirting the obvious superstar Tyrus Thomas.

But, Brady's gone now (thank goodness), so maybe they can be spared from looking quite so stupid now.

Posted by EONOmyBAdButLSUgREAT
new orleans
Member since Feb 2009
25 posts
Posted on 2/13/09 at 4:13 am to
Posted by Bad Cat
Painted Post, NY
Member since Jan 2004
12091 posts
Posted on 2/13/09 at 7:29 am to
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Trent's winning with Brady's players. Too bad Brady couldn't!


Too bad Brady's best players couldn't play hurt last year.
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
81765 posts
Posted on 2/13/09 at 7:48 am to
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Too bad Brady's best players couldn't play hurt last year

at CJ being Brady's "best player"
This post was edited on 2/13/09 at 7:49 am
Posted by Teacher
Member since Sep 2006
3060 posts
Posted on 2/13/09 at 8:46 am to
I hope Trent can recruit I just don't see any evidence. I wish he would have kept Butch because we know Butch could. In Basketball unlike football you can tell quickly if a coach can recruit. LSU needs power players with an inside game.
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