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re: Both teams looked very beatable
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:05 am to TheSexecutioner
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:05 am to TheSexecutioner
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Regardless of how good a pass defense is, a great quarterback(Luck, Moore, Jones) will be able to complete passes a reasonable amount of times.
Luck would be a great matchup, but Stanford can't beat us/Bama deep. And depth would be an issue as well.
Jones is a good QB, but he just lost his main target, and OU can't run the ball.
Kellen Moore would get broken in half and Boise is not worthy of discussion.
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Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:06 am to NC_Tigah
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they were bad, but you must understand how the defense and tempo dictated the gameplans you saw.
Absolutely. I'm not totally trashing them. But I'm saying they both looked very unimpressive. I still think we would be favored over any team in the country, but I don't know if this game did anything to further that feeling.
Obviously, these two teams ended up being equally matched. All I am saying is that what would have been more impressive is perhaps a 17-14 game still dominated by good defense but maybe a few bigger plays.
It's not like the plays weren't there. On JJ's completion, he had a TD with a well thrown ball released earlier. He also missed that throw to a wide open Peterson that could have been 6.
People on here act like the offenses really brought their lunch pails but the defenses were so overwhelmingly good that the offense had no other opportunities.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:06 am to TheSexecutioner
quote:And you think this why? How many times has Luck, Moore, or Jones thrown against a pass defense on par with Bama or LSU's? What makes you think they could do that?
Regardless of how good a pass defense is, a great quarterback(Luck, Moore, Jones) will be able to complete passes a reasonable amount of times.
quote:Why?
But only the biggest of SEC homers think that those were two top 5 offenses getting shut down.
Take WVU as an example. They are currently ranked 6th in passing yards, 6th in receiving, and 11th in total offense, yet they got shite stomped by LSU's defense. Yes, they put up ~350 passing yards on us, but the final score was 47-21.
The stats don't back up your argument.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:07 am to TheSexecutioner
We looked beatable because it was essentially like LSU playing LSU. Both teams are excellent and good enough at the exact same things, minus special teams.
For you to suggest that OkSt has an adequate defense when they are ranked 110 out of 120 fricking teams makes it painfully clear that you don't have a clue.
For you to suggest that OkSt has an adequate defense when they are ranked 110 out of 120 fricking teams makes it painfully clear that you don't have a clue.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:07 am to UGATiger26
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Did Ohio State and Michigan both look very beatable in 2006 after that 42-39 game?
Yes, they did. And they were beat? Are you taking my side?
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:08 am to Scruffy
No one can beat LSU except Bama. No one can beat Bama except LSU. For frick's sake, Oklahoma State should have lost to Kansas State last night.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:09 am to AlexLSU
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For you to suggest that OkSt has an adequate defense when they are ranked 110 out of 120 fricking teams makes it painfully clear that you don't have a clue.
To be fair, when you play a shootout style like that, you are going to be terrible in the stats. The drives they go on are so short compared to ours that their games are essentially doubled(e.g. might have twice as many possessions on offense and defense)
That said, there defense isn't good. Adequate may be a stretch, but certainly not the 110th worst defense.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:10 am to AlexLSU
quote:Exactly. It isn't a one sided contest, no matter how much this guy tries to argue that it is.
For you to suggest that OkSt has an adequate defense when they are ranked 110 out of 120 fricking teams makes it painfully clear that you don't have a clue.
Our offenses may not be ranked in the top 10, like OkSt, Oklahoma, etc., but we don't need to be against their defenses.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:10 am to Lester Earl
it sounds as if you are describing a team like Oregon, dismissing the D.
...but then we all know what happened in wk 1.
as the old saying goes, offense wins games, defense wins championships
...but then we all know what happened in wk 1.
as the old saying goes, offense wins games, defense wins championships
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:10 am to TheSexecutioner
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don't give me this "great defenses beat good offenses nonsense."
Foolish statement. You can't beat me if you can't score.
Offense puts asses in the seats. Defense wins championships.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:10 am to TheSexecutioner
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Did Ohio State and Michigan both look very beatable in 2006 after that 42-39 game?
Yes, they did. And they were beat? Are you taking my side?
No I'm not. If you thought they both looked beatable in 2006 then congratulations. Half the country thought they should rematch for the NC.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:12 am to TheSexecutioner
Because we can do plenty enough on offense to win against a shitty D like OSU or BSU. Not hard to understand
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:13 am to TheSexecutioner
In your third paragraph, your question mark is inside the parenthesis, whereas it is supposed to be outside.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:13 am to UGATiger26
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Yes, they did. And they were beat? Are you taking my side?
Dude, no one is taking your side. Watch more football and STFU! Your logic has the odor of fail!
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:14 am to TheSexecutioner
I just don't know how you can ignore the garbage passing offenses. Hopefully the defenses we play won't be bad enough to expose it, but JJ missed two throws that probably should have been TDs. Lee threw two interceptions that were absolutely ridiculous.
Of those 4 plays, I would bet Luck/Jones/Wheeden make the two TD throws and don't throw the two interceptions. That right there is a huge difference. It's not like based off of what we saw, Bama would have held those teams to 6 points as well.
I am asking those reasonable enough to see that we have a deficiency on offense versus those teams. For those, I ask what makes you so sure our superior defense can overcome that? For what its worth, I think we can, but I am less confident after last night now that I see how far behind the offense really is.
Of those 4 plays, I would bet Luck/Jones/Wheeden make the two TD throws and don't throw the two interceptions. That right there is a huge difference. It's not like based off of what we saw, Bama would have held those teams to 6 points as well.
I am asking those reasonable enough to see that we have a deficiency on offense versus those teams. For those, I ask what makes you so sure our superior defense can overcome that? For what its worth, I think we can, but I am less confident after last night now that I see how far behind the offense really is.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:14 am to Option2theShortSide
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Option2theShortSide
good work in OT last night.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:14 am to NC_Tigah
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Urban Meyer said the LSU defense was the best he'd ever seen.
Holding the Bama rush attack under a 100 yds at Bama is freaking unreal.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:15 am to Lester Earl
Stat from espn this morning on opponents passes of over 20 yards:
5 completions
7 interceptions
5 completions
7 interceptions
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:15 am to Option2theShortSide
quote:Exactly.
Dude, no one is taking your side. Watch more football and STFU! Your logic has the odor of fail!
Since you ignored my post the first time, I'll repost this and I want you to explain it away.
quote:Why didn't WVU beat us? They have a prolific passing offense, yet they got destroyed. Why?
Take WVU as an example. They are currently ranked 6th in passing yards, 6th in receiving, and 11th in total offense, yet they got shite stomped by LSU's defense. Yes, they put up ~350 passing yards on us, but the final score was 47-21.
It doesn't fit your narrative.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:16 am to rbdallas
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it sounds as if you are describing a team like Oregon, dismissing the D.
...but then we all know what happened in wk 1.
Pretty much, except I know we can handle the gimmicky spread run offense. I'm a little bit less confident about handling a prolific passing offense. West Virginia is the only thing we played resembling one and I'd say we about held our own against them.
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