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re: Bill Walsh on the Les Miles philosophy of football
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:45 am to Lonnie4LSU
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:45 am to Lonnie4LSU
^^^THIS
we didn't lose that game because our coaches sucked. We lost that game because our O line sucked.
we didn't lose that game because our coaches sucked. We lost that game because our O line sucked.
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Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:46 am to cheeser
probably the only team in college football that could still win multiple NC's with the old Miles/Cam philosophy of just pounding the ball and just beating down the opponent is Alabama due to the extreme talent advantage (especially in the trenches) they enjoy over everyone they play. But even Saban was smart to enough to realize there is a better way that works better. They've adapted while we have been slower to adapt.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:47 am to SabiDojo
People can poo poo the coaches and make every excuse known to man either way. The biggest issue was NOT the QB. The O line lost a step and got hit with the injury bug. When you have a young QB having to run for his life to get the ball out, you MAY be less accurate. See the TT game. The Oline looked like swiss cheese for the three game slide. When you are getting hit in the backfield before the handoff even happens, you have line issues. It is very hard to adjust when you can't even get a fricken play off to begin with. JMO, your mileage may vary.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:48 am to Errerrerrwere
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we didn't lose that game because our coaches sucked. We lost that game because our O line sucked.
He also spoke extensively on how if you rely on your athletes to win you a game, you'll be at their mercy when they don't show up/are outmatched.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:54 am to Draconian Sanctions
And he would be absolutely right.
But to say we need to pass more wont hold merit with someone like LF7 in the backfield either. Miles actually puts more guys in the NFL with less talent than Saban. So, something tells me from the time they received that 5* to the time they were drafted, they had to have been coached to get there.
It would be like telling Pat Dye to pass more with Bo Knows in the backfield.
But yes, we can be more creative at times.
But to say we need to pass more wont hold merit with someone like LF7 in the backfield either. Miles actually puts more guys in the NFL with less talent than Saban. So, something tells me from the time they received that 5* to the time they were drafted, they had to have been coached to get there.
It would be like telling Pat Dye to pass more with Bo Knows in the backfield.
But yes, we can be more creative at times.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:56 am to boxcar willie
Alas, but true.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:02 am to boxcar willie
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They've adapted while we have been slower to adapt.
I agree that the offense should be more creative. And let's hope the talks of Cam/Miles reaching out to other OC's and coaches this offseason hold weight.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:02 am to Errerrerrwere
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But yes, we can be more creative at times.
yes it's not just as simple as "we need to pass more" it's more about being more creative overall on offense. That doesn't mean 'trick' plays either.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:19 am to convertedtiger
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It is very hard to adjust when you can't even get a fricken play off to begin with.
that also. The adjustments should have been made years ago so that by now it would be second nature. But the good news is that they are being made. You could see it all season that there was a lot more going on with our offense than in past seasons. More shotgun, more single back sets, more 3 and 4 WR sets, more attempts at misdirection and motion. More attempts at short passes and medium passes.
The main difference was we didn't give up on these things as quickly as we would have in the past if it wasn't working. Look at the bowl game, even as badly as HaRRIS started in that game, we kept at it. In past seasons we would have gone into a shell and just lined up in an I and pounded the ball into stacked boxes. Probably would have ecked out a victory that way due to superior talent anyway, or maybe not. But we stayed the course and won in convincing fashion.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:23 am to Draconian Sanctions
This is simple logic.
A team that depends on the run is not well suited to beat a team once they fall behind by more than 10 points or so.
A team that depends on the run is not well suited to beat a team once they fall behind by more than 10 points or so.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:23 am to themunch
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He ran his rb into the Heisman. 40 plus carries for the last 5 games.
I don't believe this is correct.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:26 am to convertedtiger
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The biggest issue was NOT the QB. The O line lost a step and got hit with the injury bug.
It's interesting that some want to talk nothing but scheme or coaching or QB when your lines get destroyed. Even more interesting is the thought process which knocks the power football game when the other team is power footballing it down our freaking throats.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:27 am to WiscyTiger
quote:I object to the continued reference to being creative. We don't need, and no good teams needs to be creative. We need a bit more balance, and that will come when we execute. When we play good teams with physical Ds, it comes down to execution.
Maybe so, but we don't need to run the TTU air-raid offense, we just need balance and creativity
No one on the rant wants to hear that, but every football coach in every high level of football references execution, not creativity, when talking about performance or lack of.
quote:You are just obtuse.
am all for that, but I'm not sure they wouldn't just regress in our offensive system. It may not be the "answer" to our problems on offense. Miles needs to make serious changes (like let your OC do his job), or he needs to go.
Cam Cameron has called the offense and coaches the offense.
We need to allow our players to develop and mature so that they execute against top level defenses. Freshmen and sophomores are not prepared to beat top level SEC defenses either mentally or physically.
If you don't believe me watch the second half of the Bama game and 1st half of the Ole Miss game. We were physically dominated. You could have Kingsbury, Kelly, Briles, Bill Walsh all sit down and scheme and it wouldn't matter when your OL is getting their shite shoved in.
We need to improve, coaches need to coach better, players need to execute better, I do not think otherwise. But we don't need to be creative to do it.
In spite of your and others claims, one of the things that hinders our offense is too many looks, too many formations, and too much crap that hinders execution.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:28 am to lsusteve1
I agree
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:28 am to ItTakesAThief
quote:That makes no sense,
A team that depends on the run is not well suited to beat a team once they fall behind by more than 10 points or so.
a 10 point lead with the ball is ONE defensive stop and two successful drives.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:31 am to Tigerinthehollow
quote:You're beating a dead horse.
Didn't ole miss beat Alabama...with that inferior talent.....lol...you are something else with your never ending quest to miles bash
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:34 am to tduecen
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He was a QB he tried WR/RB but still played some QB. Sims spent his junior year as the back-up QB and threw like 30 passes behind AJ
Blake Sims
2011-RB- 22 carries for 107 yds
2012- RB 30 carries for 187--Did appear as the 3rd QB in 1 game and went 5-10 for 77 yds.
2013- Moved to backup QB- 18 of 29 for 167
Basically before his 2014 season his career stats were:
RB- 52 carries for 294 yds
QB- 23 of 39 for 244 yds
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:57 am to tigerfoot
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I object to the continued reference to being creative. We don't need, and no good teams needs to be creative.
by being more creative on offense I don't think people are saying we need to invent some new system or new plays just that we need to be less predictable on offense and do more of the same things everyone else in football does.
We don't have a great talent advantage in the trenches to just line up and over power everyone we play, even if we had great execution. We need to game plan and take what the defense is giving us. We need to try to keep defenses off balance. It isn't being complex. Of course we need to be able execute. Other teams are able to do these things and still execute better than we seem able to.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 10:05 am to baybeefeetz
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I don't think LSU loses to inferior teams.
Arkansas the past 2 years has been an inferior team that's whopped us. If you think both teams have equal talent, then we really do need a new coach because there's no way Les will win the West with Arkansas level talent.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 10:05 am to tigerfoot
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We were physically dominated. You could have Kingsbury, Kelly, Briles, Bill Walsh all sit down and scheme and it wouldn't matter when your OL is getting their shite shoved in.
it's true that no matter what we would have done or who was coaching we weren't going to beat Bama. But we do need to improve in the trenches through recruiting and also run a offense that gives us the best chance of winning against the better teams.
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