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re: Big Picture Issue with LSU Recruiting
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:11 am to goldengorilla
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:11 am to goldengorilla
All this attacking but no one has explained to me how we addressed an area of need (QB) in 2015.
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Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:12 am to TheCaterpillar
quote:So all of these highly sought after qb's were great in high school but turn to mediocre when they get to LSU? You got a theory on that one?
Yes they were.
So was Rettig. We also had Mett for 2 years before that who was very sought after. Jarrett Lee was an Elite 11 QB. Hell, even Jordan Jefferson was a 4* guy.
Before that we had Ryan Perrilloux, the #1 QB in the country. Before that we had 4* Matt Flynn and Jamarcus Russell.
We have Feleipe Franks committed who is very sought after and Shea Patterson in state who we are putting a full court press on for.
So in summary, you have no idea what you're talking about. We recruit highly regarding high school QBs, but have just done a poor job developing them or keeping them on campus.
Everyone knows Jennings is average or below. Not just the rant says this but all the national commentators too. And yet Rettig leaves without getting in a game and Harris sits the bench. Jarrett Lee is benched after playing quite well his senior year because he throws two interceptions in the Alabama game.
The greatest qb's in the game have all thrown two interceptions in a game. They were not benched the rest of their career.
Mett we got because he was damaged goods and came out of JC. If you remember he signed with Georgia originally.
So how did Mett develop if we do such a poor job? Could it be he had more talent than the rest of these guys put together? What does that say about recruiting when the best qb we have in eight years is someone else's castoff?
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:13 am to goldengorilla
quote:I believe you are a dumbass.
I believe the past 10 years of results proves my point.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:13 am to goldengorilla
quote:
All this attacking but no one has explained to me how we addressed an area of need (QB) in 2015.
You haven't indicated which JUCO QB is good enough to play here. They're not all Zach Mettenberger or Cam Newton.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:13 am to Tom Bronco
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What does that say about recruiting when the best qb we have in eight years is someone else's castoff?
ding ding ding
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:13 am to goldengorilla
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But can you agree we've been really bad at it when it comes to the QB position?
Well, bad, unlucky, you can interpret it as you will. We haven't been very good either way I agree.
I think you can look at the list and understand why some of those kids just didn't work out and I wouldn't blame the coaches. We can't just pick a kid from anywhere and force him to sign. Our state has generally always been QB weak. We will always struggle getting them IMO.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:13 am to goldengorilla
quote:That is not how college football works, way too many variables. There are weaknesses to EVERY team. We have had a few not the best years of QB'ing. Like pretty much every school in the country. Texas, Miami, UF, Nebraska, Tenn...the list is pretty vast of big time programs that have shared QB issues.
That's my point we shouldn't have to "work around it". We should be good at it.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:15 am to goldengorilla
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So for 2015 we're all in on a talented but possibly lazy sophomore. And everyone is ok with that? lol ok
And your plan is to start a true freshman to fix LSU's QB problem in 2015? And when that freshmen struggles, are you going to start another freshmen QB in 2016?
At some point, you have to focus on improving the QBs that are on the team.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:16 am to tigerfoot
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Like pretty much every school in the country. Texas, Miami, UF, Nebraska, Tenn...the list is pretty vast of big time programs that have shared QB issues.
I agree here
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:17 am to jrodLSUke
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And your plan is to start a true freshman to fix LSU's QB problem in 2015?
No, my point is to recruit a valid option at QB every year so you dont' have to start a freshman. Create depth
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:21 am to goldengorilla
quote:
All this attacking but no one has explained to me how we addressed an area of need (QB) in 2015
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:21 am to goldengorilla
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No, my point is to recruit a valid option at QB every year so you dont' have to start a freshman
And if Zach Lee hadn't been offered $5 million as an 18 y/o and if Gunner Kiel had any sense of respect about him, we would have done just that. Can't really say anything about '08 and '09 since the incumbent couldn't keep his head on straight.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:22 am to goldengorilla
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Yes i believe LSU is not putting the same amount of effort and research into recruiting QBs as other positions. I believe the past 10 years of results proves my point.
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Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:26 am to Tom Bronco
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So all of these highly sought after qb's were great in high school but turn to mediocre when they get to LSU? You got a theory on that one?
I do have a theory on that one. My theory is you're absolutely wrong.
Russell, Flynn, Perrilloux (when on team), and Mett all performed at a high level.
Perrilloux getting kicked off screwed us because we had to throw Jarrett Lee to the wolves and it messed him up. Then Zach Lee came to campus and practiced and was expected to be a part of the team, but the Dodgers gave him 5 million dollars, which was not expected.
Those two things have hurt.
Lee still played well in 2011 before being benched for Jefferson. And we did go undefeated until the national title game.
Jennings hasn't played well and seems to be regressing. However Harris, a true freshman, showed flashes of brilliance. The offensive play calling this year didn't help either QB out or play to their strengths. Hopefully that changes next year.
Again, its not recruiting. Its development and play calling.
The OP is saying we don't recruit good QBs which is so hilariously false it hurts to think about.
This post was edited on 1/23/15 at 10:29 am
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:28 am to TheCaterpillar
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The OP is saying we don't recruit good QBs which is so hilariously false it hurts to think about.
There's an issue when you have the embarrassment at QB like we did this year and you turn around and get a project guy only the following year.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:30 am to goldengorilla
Basically we're all sitting around and hoping that the light comes on for a very talented young Qb. I can promise you for what we're paying our staff, that's not going to be an acceptable excuse if we lay another 4-4 SEC record.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:31 am to goldengorilla
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There's an issue when you have the embarrassment at QB like we did this year and you turn around and get a project guy only the following year.
We want Shea Patterson and Franks, if we get a big name QB this year, we would lose one or both. The staff is confident in Harris to develop as well. He has serious talent.
Again, its not a recruiting thing. Its a combination of poor development, bad play calling, and bad luck with Perrilloux and Zach Lee.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:32 am to goldengorilla
quote:Well then you should be able to clearly see that you:
I agree here
a) evaluate your QBs
b) recruit
c) coach like hell and hope they work
Given our success in developing QBs that went on to NFL careers, I would think we have every reason in the world to believe that Jennings and Harris develop nicely.
NO ONE has a legit stud third string QB anymore, none, nada, if they think they should be playing they aren't going to settle with coming in as a Jr as third on the chart.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:32 am to TheCaterpillar
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Again, its not a recruiting thing. Its a combination of poor development, bad play calling, and bad luck with Perrilloux and Zach Lee.
I think you're right on with these comments. I just believe recruiting mixes in as well. Not that "we can't recruit a good QB" but that we dont' do it consistently enough to help ourselves out when the unforeseen happens.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:34 am to goldengorilla
For rantards:
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