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re: BH "still just a true sophomore QB"
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:27 am to therick711
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:27 am to therick711
Both Harper and Parker wère better quarterbacks than Jennings was last year.
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:29 am to SabiDojo
Well there's a high bar. Who's changing the conversation now?
Kyle Parker is very comparable to Jordan Jefferson. When you factor in that they run a HUNH, that's pretty staggering.
Kyle Parker is very comparable to Jordan Jefferson. When you factor in that they run a HUNH, that's pretty staggering.
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 9:31 am
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:29 am to navy
quote:
I happen to think that Harris is more than capable of doing a lot more than he is being allowed to do.
In order to learn from mistakes, you actually have to make some.
The kid is ready. To borrow a phrase from Biden: "UNCHAIN HARRIS!"
no argument here
but I also understand why the coaches limited or were cautious with Harris last weekend
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:31 am to Salmon
quote:
no argument here
but I also understand why the coaches limited or were cautious with Harris last weekend
Fair enough ... I can live with it as well.
But that overly-cautious approach cannot continue.
What's the point of having a Ferrari if you refuse to go more than 35 mph?
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:32 am to MF Doom
There wasn't even a qb battle the coaches pre determined when they drafted mariota for him to be the starter.clearly mariota is an outlier as well spread quarterbacks usually bust at a higher rate than pro style
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:33 am to Salmon
quote:I happen to think you don't know more than the coaches know, but I'm that's just my thought.
I happen to think that Harris is more than capable of doing a lot more than he is being allowed to do.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:33 am to navy
Because we are too busy producing NFL caliber running backs.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:33 am to navy
quote:
But that overly-cautious approach cannot continue.
I think (read: hope) that we will see much more passing this weekend
just hope Harris doesn't throw an early INT though because Miles will probably shut him down if he does...
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:34 am to sjmabry
Bingo.. Not sure many realize how much tougher learning a pro system is than spread
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 9:36 am
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:36 am to SabiDojo
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You're right. Coaches do.
As it stands now, the QB's coming out of "spread" offenses aren't translating well at the NFL level......very few are, but the majority suck monkey balls!!!!
Just saying
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:41 am to bayoubengalfan4life
quote:No matter how we try to explain the differences in pro-style and spread offenses, some folks just don't want to comprehend. LSU should sling the ball all around the field because that's what the majority of fans see on Saturdays.
Not sure many realize how much tougher learning a pro system is than spread
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:41 am to navy
Deshaun was the #1 DT QB in his class in some recruiting sites. That recruiting class though has a ton of guys at that position (DTQB) who are still largely unproven. Deshaun so far looked like the only sure thing in that class entering this season.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:42 am to fan251
For frick's sake.
This is college. If you're a coach at the college level, it's your job to win college games.
Do recruits want to be developed for the next level? Of course they do, but it's also your job to win many games as possible.
Besides, NFL teams use spread offenses too. And, also, look who is getting drafted in higher rounds? Guys from spread offenses.
This is college. If you're a coach at the college level, it's your job to win college games.
Do recruits want to be developed for the next level? Of course they do, but it's also your job to win many games as possible.
Besides, NFL teams use spread offenses too. And, also, look who is getting drafted in higher rounds? Guys from spread offenses.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:54 am to sjmabry
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Pro-style offense vs spread offense. Fast forward 2 years, and Harris will be more NFL ready due to our pro-style offense vs a spread QB.
This is an absolutely ridiculous answer.
You're essentially saying that it's better for LSU to run a more complex, NFL style offense than constrains our team's offensive production for a few years while the QBs adapt to the system, only so that our QBs are more "NFL ready" by the time they leave.
Not only that, but the underlying premise is demonstrably fallacious - our "NFL ready" QB with a cannon arm is sitting on the bench in Tennessee while a QB from a spread based system is not only the starter, but just had one of the best rookie QB performances in the history of the NFL.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 10:00 am to Cs
quote:So just have Harris slinging the ball like they do in spread offenses? Are you asking for another pick 6 season?
Cs
And, Mett didn't get a chance to compete for the starting job.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 10:00 am to SabiDojo
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Besides, NFL teams use spread offenses too. And, also, look who is getting drafted in higher rounds? Guys from spread offenses.
And getting benched after they struggle taking a snap from under center, or setting their feet properly when throwing a pass, or not stepping into the pocket, or ....
Get my point!
A great coach cares about developing his players to move on to the next level, whether it's little league football or college.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 10:09 am to navy
quote:
I was specifically trying to compare Clemson/LSU and Watson/Harris.
The guys could almost be twins.
To date ... as both a FROSH/SOPH, one guy has gotten way more dual threat production.
I happen to think that Harris is more than capable of doing a lot more than he is being allowed to do.
In order to learn from mistakes, you actually have to make some.
The kid is ready. To borrow a phrase from Biden: "UNCHAIN HARRIS!"
I think the answer was given.
LSU's offensive scheme requires more time for the QB to mentally be able to absorb and execute the concepts.
On the flip side, QBs who go through LSU's program will be more developed from an NFL standpoint than their counterparts.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 10:12 am to Cs
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NFL style offense than constrains our team's offensive production for a few years while the QBs adapt to the system, only so that our QBs are more "NFL ready" by the time they leave.
isn't this exactly why Harris has said he chose LSU over Auburn? because he wanted to learn a more pro style system?
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 10:13 am
Posted on 9/15/15 at 10:14 am to fan251
You guys are missing the real question. If spread offenses are easier to learn AND we keep recruiting the top tier dual threat guys AND we have better athletes at the skill positions than 95% of the colleges in the world then there is one inescapable conclusion....
We should run the spread.
Our athletes running all over the field combined with our shutdown defense would be a potent combination!
We should run the spread.
Our athletes running all over the field combined with our shutdown defense would be a potent combination!
Posted on 9/15/15 at 10:15 am to Cs
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This is an absolutely ridiculous answer.
You're essentially saying that it's better for LSU to run a more complex, NFL style offense than constrains our team's offensive production for a few years while the QBs adapt to the system, only so that our QBs are more "NFL ready" by the time they leave.
Not only that, but the underlying premise is demonstrably fallacious - our "NFL ready" QB with a cannon arm is sitting on the bench in Tennessee while a QB from a spread based system is not only the starter, but just had one of the best rookie QB performances in the history of the NFL.
There is lot's wrong with your post.
#1, it very well may be better / or not. That's a different discussion. But, LSU's approach is certainly not a crazy one and can be very successful if you keep talent coming in at QB. You can't have gaps in QB recruiting or you will pay the price.
#2, using Tennesse and a QB who was talented enough to be drafted #2 compared to a 6th round pick in Mettenberger is a terrible argument. In fact, if Mariota hadn't come out of that spread offense, there wouldn't have been all of the questions surrounding him. In other words, Mariota wasn't drafted for his NFL readiness. He was drafted on his talent. But, he would have been more NFL ready had he come through a system like LSU.
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