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re: Ben McDonald: Bregman best freshman in LSU history
Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:19 am to dnm3305
Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:19 am to dnm3305
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Also consider the HUGEEEE differences in the bats of the 90's and the bats of today
I'm still on Bregman's side, but to be fair, Walker's bat would have been hotter than today's bat, but Walker wasn't swinging the ridiculous bats of the 1996-2000 time frame. I'm truly surprised that a pitcher or 3rd baseman were never seriously injured by those things.
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Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:19 am to Rouge
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He still knows the high and tight hairstyle
he literally has his entire head shaved with maybe a one guard EXCEPT the front strand which is grown out long and spiked up. Looks amazing from the side.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:23 am to TheNightHawk
If you take into account these god awful bats they are using...I think it's a no-brainer for Bregman.
He is also becoming a very good fieldier at SS...which wasn't his natural position...and started out kinda shaky, but has been solid for a while now.
Add the fact that he is a leader on and off the field...and you have a pretty special player.
Lets enjoy these 3 years we get to watch this young man play for LSU..we are very lucky
He is also becoming a very good fieldier at SS...which wasn't his natural position...and started out kinda shaky, but has been solid for a while now.
Add the fact that he is a leader on and off the field...and you have a pretty special player.
Lets enjoy these 3 years we get to watch this young man play for LSU..we are very lucky
Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:39 am to Topwater Trout
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As much as I loved TW I give the edge to Bregman
I don't, not yet at least.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:40 am to TheNightHawk
Give Bregman Todd Walker's bat from 1993 and his stats would be even more ridiculous.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:41 am to The Godfather
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That would be Todd Walker....
Loaded bats.
Now go check his MLB stats to compare.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:43 am to tadelatt
If Bregman keeps up his current pace, he will eclipse TW in almost every category and with shittier bats.
IF he does that, its easily Bregman.
The other stuff is somewhat equal. Both teams are NC quality (obviously 93) and you can't pitch around either.
IF he does that, its easily Bregman.
The other stuff is somewhat equal. Both teams are NC quality (obviously 93) and you can't pitch around either.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:47 am to dnm3305
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the pitching in that era compared to this era is let's just say
how do you figure that? and you can't take pitchers of "this era." you take pitchers Bregman has actually faced. We really haven't faced a lot of dominant pitchers this year. He's faced one against Miss State, a couple vs Arkansas, and one against Kentucky. Bregman was 1/4 against Graveman at state. He was 1/4 against Litrell at Kentucky. He was 0/5 against Stanek at Arkansas. And he was 1/4 against Astin at Arkansas.
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Also consider the HUGEEEE differences in the bats of the 90's and the bats of today.
huge difference in the bats of the mid to late nineties and today's. the bats walker used were hotter than now, but not by a lot.
I love Bregman, but it's a little premature to crown him as the best freshman in LSU history 2/3 of the way through the season when the guy he's being compared to is Todd Walker.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:52 am to tadelatt
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Loaded bats.
Now go check his MLB stats to compare.
Todd Walker hit marginally worse as a power hitter in the major leagues, and that was against much much better pitchers and in bigger ball parks. It's not like Walker hit 30+ homeruns a year in college and then hit 5 in the pros. In his prime in Boston, Walker hit 13 HRs and 85 RBis, while batting .285. that's pretty damn solid for a 2B. The bats of Walker's era were not as loaded as you think. You know what's weird, though, is how Aaron Hill's highest HR total at LSU was 9, and he hit 36 a few years ago in Toronto. Loaded bats man......
Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:54 am to Rouge
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He still knows the high and tight hairstyle
that's a pretty common haircut out here in the LP
Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:57 am to tadelatt
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Now go check his MLB stats to compare.
What is that supposed to mean? He hit 289/348/435/783 in 12 seasons in the majors as a 2B. That's pretty solid and to just stay in the majors for 12 years is a feat unto itself.
This post was edited on 4/25/13 at 9:04 am
Posted on 4/25/13 at 9:03 am to lsufball19
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how do you figure that? and you can't take pitchers of "this era." you take pitchers Bregman has actually faced. We really haven't faced a lot of dominant pitchers this year.
Obviously, I meant the mean composite of quality arms in baseball right now compared to the mid 90's when 2-3 guys would only touch the 90's. Now, half of a roster for a given team has 90's mph fastball's with even better offspeed pitches. Pitching has progressed alot over the last 10 years, especially the last 5 years or so.
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it's a little premature to crown him as the best freshman in LSU history 2/3 of the way through the season when the guy he's being compared to is Todd Walker
When you look at each players all around game, it's really not even close. Bregman is having a near equal offensive season compared to Walkers '92 season and is only hitting for slightly less power. He's play SS and plays it very very well. It's not hard, based on what we've seen through 2/3 of the season, to project the last 20 games and say that Bregman will finish the season the same way he's playing right now, which would put him as the "GREATEST LSU FRESHMAN EVER"
This post was edited on 4/25/13 at 9:05 am
Posted on 4/25/13 at 9:54 am to dnm3305
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When you look at each players all around game, it's really not even close.
how can you even say that? you're talking about a guy that played in the major leagues for 12 years, was the national freshman of the year, an all american all 3 years he was at lsu, a golden spikes finalist, and a career .396 hitter in college. bregman may very well end up being a better player, but this is a perfect example of the "who has done something great most recently is the greatest of all time" society we live in today
Posted on 4/25/13 at 10:04 am to lsufball19
TW will probably always be my favorite player at LSU. I remember going to the Winn Dixie showdown and thinking "who in the hell is this guy". But I can't overlook what Bregman has done and so far he is having a better freshmen season.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 10:18 am to lsufball19
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how can you even say that? you're talking about a guy that played in the major leagues for 12 years, was the national freshman of the year, an all american all 3 years he was at lsu, a golden spikes finalist, and a career .396 hitter in college. bregman may very well end up being a better player, but this is a perfect example of the "who has done something great most recently is the greatest of all time" society we live in today
I used to feel the same way as you, but then I realized that we aren't comparing Todd Walker from 1993 and 1994 to Alex Bregman, we are only comparing Todd Walker's 1992 season to Alex Bregman's 2013 season. The biggest thing is that I remember Walker being a 20+ HR guy, but then I noticed that his freshman year he "only" hit 12. That's a solid number, but Bregman will be close to that or slightly under by the time he plays a full post-season. Once again, the only place that I see a big advantage for either player when comparing the two as freshman is that Bregman is a much better defensive player.
This post was edited on 4/25/13 at 10:19 am
Posted on 4/25/13 at 10:29 am to lsufball19
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but this is a perfect example of the "who has done something great most recently is the greatest of all time" society we live in today
No it's not. I gave a response to the ORIGINAL POST in that Ben MacDonald said that we are seeing the best FRESHMAN in LSU's history. Did I say that he will have a better career than Todd Walker? No I did not. Todd Walker is one of the greatest players, if not the greatest in LSU history. When comparing their freshman years however, offensively it's a wash, and defensively with Bregman playing SS now at an elite level his all around game is considerably better than Walker's was.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 10:29 am to lsufball19
quote:Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but you're the most realistic & objective person in this thread.
lsufball19
Fans want the "now" guy to be the best ever...it's natural.
I was ridiculed last year (3/4 through season) for saying I didn't think Raph would hit .500.
Same happened a few weeks ago when I said I didn't think Katz would hit 25 HR or come close to 118 RBI.
Doesn't mean they're not very good or I didn't want them to, but the law of average is real.
It's very hard for people to be truly objective about something they're passionate about.
Bats in '92 were better than today (Walker swung the old gold Easton, as did most guys back then...and BTW, Furniss did his entire career), but not to the extent everyone wants to believe.
We all agree the late '90s bats were sick.
The best competition is still to come (same thing I said about projecting Katz's season stats).
Defensively, AB is better, but not this huge leap many think.
Let's have this debate when the season is over. If AB's stats are close, it will be a fun discussion.
Anyone talking about Walker's subpar MLB stats in this conversation should be ignored.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 10:39 am to Choupique19
lol on Brett Laxton. He certainly delivered the best single game performance of an LSU freshman that I can think of. That wasn't the question, though.
The fact that I'm half-way convinced that Bregman has a shot at topping the Great Todd Walker on this subject shows just how impressive Bregman has been. Walker was amazing to watch. I agree that first and foremost he was a hitter extraordinaire. But, his defense was eventually very good.
Bregman is just a nature 5-tool player and excels in a couple of areas compared to Walker. Let's see how he does against the postseason stud pitching that Walker at times dominated.
The fact that I'm half-way convinced that Bregman has a shot at topping the Great Todd Walker on this subject shows just how impressive Bregman has been. Walker was amazing to watch. I agree that first and foremost he was a hitter extraordinaire. But, his defense was eventually very good.
Bregman is just a nature 5-tool player and excels in a couple of areas compared to Walker. Let's see how he does against the postseason stud pitching that Walker at times dominated.
This post was edited on 4/25/13 at 10:42 am
Posted on 4/25/13 at 10:48 am to dnm3305
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Bregman will be close to that or slightly under by the time he plays a full post-season
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When comparing their freshman years however, offensively it's a wash
Don't you think we should let the season play out?
Look at traditionally what happens.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:07 pm to BigEdLSU
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still have a signed glove from TW and skip from one of those clinics they put on.
so? u want a cookie to go with it? how about some milk?
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