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re: Beating Bama will impact their program
Posted on 4/17/08 at 2:43 pm to King Joey
Posted on 4/17/08 at 2:43 pm to King Joey
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No, that was your attempt to spin the conversation away from the uncomfortable (for you) truth that Saban will most likely never be the success at Bama that he was at LSU.
Trust me, Cajunbama gets it at least subconciously, but to admit it would be to admit that Bama will most likely never see the kind of success under NS as LSU did. Or maybe he just wanted to derail one of the all-time great posts like a bitter gump.
I swear, hating Bama and Bammers has gotten about as easy as breathing, or taking a shite.
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Posted on 4/17/08 at 2:48 pm to BMG
quote:You're right. Time to restore this thread to its original greatness:
Or maybe he just wanted to derail one of the all-time great posts like a bitter gump.
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You're a complete fricking idiot if you think we lose to La. Tech/Monroe (not sure who we play)
Man, that never gets old!
Posted on 4/17/08 at 2:51 pm to King Joey
You are correct, by the way. I have often wondered just how close DiNardo was to stealing Saban's thunder...without the Tepper and Cuddlemonster issues, what could have been?
Tepper and the timing was especially bad, trying to make a 3-4 work in the SEC at the same time as your offense is transitioning from an option QB to a pocket passer system...If DiNardo had made better coord. hires and continued to win, would Saban have eventually risen in the ranks elsewhere?
Tepper and the timing was especially bad, trying to make a 3-4 work in the SEC at the same time as your offense is transitioning from an option QB to a pocket passer system...If DiNardo had made better coord. hires and continued to win, would Saban have eventually risen in the ranks elsewhere?
Posted on 4/17/08 at 2:54 pm to 19
quote:Eh, who knows? But it does stand to reason that if he would have, then he should have no problem doing it again somewhere else.
If DiNardo had made better coord. hires and continued to win, would Saban have eventually risen in the ranks elsewhere?
Posted on 4/17/08 at 4:42 pm to NaturalBeam
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or too dumb to realize it
bingo
Posted on 4/17/08 at 4:50 pm to King Joey
Why all of these deep thoughts about Saban based on just one season at Bama? LSU is a good school and Saban is a good coach those are facts. He will do well at Bama or any school. Just how well he dose at Bama time will tell and all the debates good or bad will not change it. I like his way of handling the business, as I am sure some here liked it back then. He is not the best at talking to the media but like most of you he works hard each day and that is something I can respect.
Posted on 4/17/08 at 4:55 pm to cajunbama
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The situation was so good you went through a coach every 4 years from 1980 to 1999. Like I said, there are two ways to look at this. The way you see it, and the way the rest of the world saw it in 1999.
You are a fricking idiot. Plain and simple. The "good situation" was the recruiting base and potential for success simply by getting half of the top instate players with no instate recruiting rival.
Posted on 4/17/08 at 8:11 pm to NaturalBeam
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I can't decide whether cajunbama is too stubborn to admit he's wrong, or too dumb to realize it
Why can't it be both?
Posted on 4/17/08 at 8:28 pm to bwhite
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Why all of these deep thoughts about Saban based on just one season at Bama? LSU is a good school and Saban is a good coach those are facts. He will do well at Bama or any school. Just how well he dose at Bama time will tell and all the debates good or bad will not change it. I like his way of handling the business, as I am sure some here liked it back then. He is not the best at talking to the media but like most of you he works hard each day and that is something I can respect.
bwhite, you seem like a rational, normal guy. As a Bama fan, do you really think that the expectations of the school (and the fan base at large - not necessarily including all fans or yourself) were that they were hiring a "good" coach at the $32 million range? Really?
Because from where we sat, it sure looked like the people in T-Town (Moore, particularly) were trying to buy a BCS championship (as if a head coach was the only piece missing at Bama in the post-1992 MNC era). ANYTHING less than a BCS championship by the end of the 2010 or 2011 will be considered an expensive boondoggle. Coaching salary inflation over that period will dull the sting that you Bammers will feel a little, but WVMD will likely be among the top 15 or so paid coaches in the country. The only real upside for Bama is that, unless he wins really big, really quickly, he's got nowhere else to go.
His "process" worked here, and he is a fundamentally sound (and creative) defensive coach. However, he's not a miracle worker.
With a very strong 2008 (and I am implying a 12-2 record, with a win in the SEC-CG and the Sugar Bowl, but NO BCS trip) Miles will have met or exceeded ALL of WVMD's accomplishments in 4 years versus 5. With no UAB losses, no 5 loss seasons, or other issues we had with WVMD.
Posted on 4/17/08 at 11:18 pm to LSURulzSEC
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Under your terms gumptard Tom Landry was a miserable failure also and not a success, he did get fired at the end of his career...
I can't wait for the spin on this one...
Well here ya go, if Tom Landry would have coached 4-5 years with only one to two winning seasons and then fired, he would have been a failure. Now which coach did LSU have that we have been discussing have a long career like Landry or won a championship/ships like Landry and was then fired,,,NONE.
Wait did you guys fire McClendon?
This post was edited on 4/17/08 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 4/17/08 at 11:37 pm to King Joey
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I keep telling you they had success at LSU. You keep saying they weren't successful coaches. Do you not see the difference
Yes I see the difference but like I have pointed out several times I was arguing that you made coaches like Gerry Dinardo a huge success.
You said:
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Gerry Dinarda, big success at LSU.
I am sorry, I am not a mind reader. I have went back and reread this from page 14 and you say that he was a BIG SUCCESS. Their is only one way to interpret that and that is he was a successful coach. If you meant Dinardo was a very mediocre coach that happened to win 10 games once you could have just said that.
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Dennis Franchione (1) and Nick Saban (2) both had more successful seasons elsewhere than they ever had at Bama, and both were within the last 50 years. So, you failed. Want to try again?
Yea but once again, that aint what you said.
you said:
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Name some other schools that have had no more than one coach in the last 50 years whose most successful season anywhere was at that school.
To keep this short, Stallings. His most successful season was at Alabama.
You respond with Fran and Saban. They have nothing to do with what you asked me to name, you keep going back and changing the question.
If you meant to ask name another school that in the last 50 years whose coaches had the best season in their career at the school, I can't give you one, and that includes LSU,,, remember Hallman.
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The point you are missing is that while hiring all these dumbshits, all but one of them still managed far more success at LSU than they did anywhere else
Well two of them only coached at LSU so how could they have less success at another school. So you still only have Dinardo.
Posted on 4/17/08 at 11:45 pm to King Joey
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that was your attempt to spin the conversation away from the uncomfortable (for you) truth t
And I will repeat again,
No, it has been where I took exception to the the fact that you said LSU made Archer, Dinardo, Hallmand, and Stovall "big success".
I mentioned saban once very, very early on in this debate. I am arguing that LSU didn't make Hallman, Stoval, Dinardo and Archer successes. When 2 have only been head coaches at LSU, and one was better before he got to LSU, you are left with Dinardo.
I don't know how else to say it, this is like pulling teeth.
You say:
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WE have been discussing Saban all along.
No WE have not. WE have been discussing Dinardo, Archer, Hallman, and Stovall. Of the last five quotes that you use to try to prove that WE have been discussing Saban, only one is mine.
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As far as how Saban will do at Bama, time and history will tell. I am not predicting NC or anything
That is weak. You use that one quote to prove that we have been discussing Saban. That might have been the only time I mentioned his name in this whole thread, but I mentioned Archer, Hallman, Stovall, and Dinardo countless times.
what did you say, oh yeah,,,FAIL.
This post was edited on 4/17/08 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 4/17/08 at 11:47 pm to King Joey
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2 of these coaches had no careers other than LSU as far as being head coaches.
And that does not seem to you to be less successful than being a head coach?
Seems to me LSU ruined their promising careers.
Posted on 4/18/08 at 12:00 am to cajunbama
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You're a complete fricking idiot if you think we lose to La. Tech/Monroe (not sure who we play)
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that would be funny if every team in LA beat Alabama
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I predict ULM takes you to the mat
I'm tired of this argument about LSU coaches, and would hate for the real gold of this thread to get lost in the mix, so here ya go...
Posted on 4/18/08 at 12:06 am to NaturalBeam
After this thread Im actually considering pulling for Bama some next year. I always pull for the underdogs unless against LSU or ULM.
Posted on 4/18/08 at 8:54 am to cajunbama
quote:can you not realize you are making our point for us? some of the names mentioned didn't even have the credentials to be a head coach somewhere else, yet they were able to post at least a couple of impressive seasons at lsu. good grief. i'm still trying to figure out if you're instigating or really, really dense.
2 of these coaches had no careers other than LSU as far as being head coaches. They were both fired.
quote:that's right. one. one coach that we can think of was better somewhere else than at lsu. the others couldn't duplicate the success they had at lsu anywhere else. and that one coach just happened to have brett favre at usm. hmmmm.
One had a better career before LSU(Hallman) and he was fired
Posted on 4/18/08 at 12:08 pm to bfniii
Ace Thanks for the reply I plan to be civil and debate with people that value college football as much as I do. I live presently in Alabama but have lived in LA in the past. I have fond memories of my days in West Monroe and Baker (just out side of Baton Rouge). This is the reason I some times come to this site to see just what is going on back in LA. That is enough about me back to your question.
Bwhite, you seem like a rational, normal guy. As a Bama fan, do you really think that the expectations of the school (and the fan base at large - not necessarily including all fans or yourself) were that they were hiring a "good" coach at the $32 million range? Really?
I would hope all colleges and their fans for that point have high expectations for their team. I do not know how to hope for a team that would compete only half way. Do the fans (all fans not just Bama’s) sometime over state or jump overboard as far as what they want, you know it. I know that most average Alabama fan do not expect to challenge the top SEC teams for a few years but you can never know just how the ball will bounce during a game. I hope for the best but expect to have a seven or eight win season and will be proud of that.
As for Saban’s salary, I too would have liked not to start the bidding wars that this seems to have started. I do think that it was going in this direction with or with out Saban due to colleges taking measures to stop their coach from going Pro. Alabama helped by no means they just saw an opportunity and went for it.
Did they think they were buying a BCS championship I cannot say, as they are their own people? I do think that what they wanted was someone that would work as hard he could to build a wining program. They looked around and found a man that fits the bill and I am not disappointed in their efforts.
The process that some people list is to me just a manner of doing things that is correct. Saban believes that hard work will pay dividends. I too believe this and that this policy will work in college or out in the real world. I think to win a Alabama it will take hard work and from my vantage point that is what they've gotten from him.
Alabama does not produce the volume of high school football players that Louisiana but does this mean that Saban will be less successful? I think that NCAA has done enough to limit scholarships on all colleges to the point that even a small state like Alabama can produce enough quality personal to put a good football team on the field. The only missing element is a good coach and the right mind set to make it happen.
Bwhite, you seem like a rational, normal guy. As a Bama fan, do you really think that the expectations of the school (and the fan base at large - not necessarily including all fans or yourself) were that they were hiring a "good" coach at the $32 million range? Really?
I would hope all colleges and their fans for that point have high expectations for their team. I do not know how to hope for a team that would compete only half way. Do the fans (all fans not just Bama’s) sometime over state or jump overboard as far as what they want, you know it. I know that most average Alabama fan do not expect to challenge the top SEC teams for a few years but you can never know just how the ball will bounce during a game. I hope for the best but expect to have a seven or eight win season and will be proud of that.
As for Saban’s salary, I too would have liked not to start the bidding wars that this seems to have started. I do think that it was going in this direction with or with out Saban due to colleges taking measures to stop their coach from going Pro. Alabama helped by no means they just saw an opportunity and went for it.
Did they think they were buying a BCS championship I cannot say, as they are their own people? I do think that what they wanted was someone that would work as hard he could to build a wining program. They looked around and found a man that fits the bill and I am not disappointed in their efforts.
The process that some people list is to me just a manner of doing things that is correct. Saban believes that hard work will pay dividends. I too believe this and that this policy will work in college or out in the real world. I think to win a Alabama it will take hard work and from my vantage point that is what they've gotten from him.
Alabama does not produce the volume of high school football players that Louisiana but does this mean that Saban will be less successful? I think that NCAA has done enough to limit scholarships on all colleges to the point that even a small state like Alabama can produce enough quality personal to put a good football team on the field. The only missing element is a good coach and the right mind set to make it happen.
Posted on 7/5/08 at 9:07 am to Loserman
I have a lot of respect for Bama. But they are starting bring proud of moral victorys.I dont know. 
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Posted on 7/5/08 at 9:36 am to cajunjj
When will this shite die not flaming any one perticular person in this thread. But damn please let this shite go, it is sooooooo fricking over done.
not flaming any one perticular person in this thread. But damn please let this shite go, it is sooooooo fricking over done.
Posted on 7/5/08 at 9:41 am to ulmtiger
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After this thread Im actually considering pulling for Bama some next year. I always pull for the underdogs unless against LSU or ULM.
Dissed by a ULM fan.....Whoa
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