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re: BCS Champion should be # 1
Posted on 8/20/08 at 9:27 am to rbdallas
Posted on 8/20/08 at 9:27 am to rbdallas
Fail.
The BCS doesn't govern other polls. Heck, the BCS poll won't even be out for weeks, and it won't consider the prior champion as #1.
Personally, I don't think anyone can honestly say LSU should be #1. Not in losing they're first two QBs from last years team.
The BCS doesn't govern other polls. Heck, the BCS poll won't even be out for weeks, and it won't consider the prior champion as #1.
Personally, I don't think anyone can honestly say LSU should be #1. Not in losing they're first two QBs from last years team.
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Posted on 8/20/08 at 9:28 am to rbdallas
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I think that the BCS Champ should automatically be ranked # 1 the following season REGARDLESS of how they are perceived the following season Then if / when they loose, the rankings can be adjusted.
frick that.
Posted on 8/20/08 at 9:31 am to thetempleowl
As far as the end of the season muck, since all of the coaches have a strong opinion about what they "would like to see", have them submit their idea. Take the 3 most popular and send out a ballot to vote for 1 of the 3. Revisit and repeat the process a few times until the majority feel it is the best that can be done.
Edit: I actually said ballad(ballot) at first
Thanks templeowl
Edit: I actually said ballad(ballot) at first
Thanks templeowl
This post was edited on 8/20/08 at 9:41 am
Posted on 8/20/08 at 9:35 am to Tiger-Striped-Bass
tiger striped bass, I would pay to see the coaches in the sec or for that matter any conference write a ballad.
Posted on 8/20/08 at 9:36 am to Tiger-Striped-Bass
quote:
As far as the end of the season muck, since all of the coaches have a strong opinion about what they "would like to see", have them submit their idea. Take the 3 most popular and send out a ballad to vote for 1 of the 3. Revisit and repeat the process a few times until the majority feel it is the best that can be done.
The closest you will see to this happening is already in place. It's called the Coaches Poll.
Posted on 8/20/08 at 9:36 am to ksayetiger
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To be honest, i think the first polls should come out after week 3. This garbage of predictions hurts a team (like 04 auburn).
Why do y'all continue to perpetuate this myth? Auburn could have been ranked preseason #3 and they still wouldn't have made the NC game. The polls could have come out in week 13 and they still wouldn't have made the NC game. Preseason polls didn't hurt Auburn, it was the fantastic regular seasons of USC and Oklahoma that did that. It sucked for them, but shite happens. It was not the fault of early polls.
Posted on 8/20/08 at 9:40 am to Hot Carl
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ballad
You got me! ballot
Got a lot going on.
Hey this thread could be the source of a ballad
Posted on 8/20/08 at 9:41 am to Hot Carl
Not a good idea. College Football isn't boxing. As arbirtary as the system already is, automatically starting the defending champs as #1 would only invalidate an already imperfect system.
Posted on 8/20/08 at 9:43 am to Ghostfacedistiller
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automatically starting the defending champs as #1 would only invalidate an already imperfect system.
and an undefeated previous years champ left out doesn't?
This post was edited on 8/20/08 at 9:44 am
Posted on 8/20/08 at 9:43 am to rbdallas
havent read through, BUT, preseason polls should be eliminated or at least not count towards anything. I think the polls should START exactly how they ENDED and continue on from there.this gives these teams that made great strides at the end of the year a chance to continue that momentum instead of being bumped back out of the top 25 to start once again.
Posted on 8/20/08 at 9:45 am to rbdallas
The only reason we're discussing this is because LSU is the defending national champ. If it were any other team, this would not be a topic on this forum.
I really doubt that those espousing the view that last year's champ should start out #1 were bitching about Florida's pre-season ranking last year.
I really doubt that those espousing the view that last year's champ should start out #1 were bitching about Florida's pre-season ranking last year.
Posted on 8/20/08 at 9:47 am to tigers
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The only reason we're discussing this is because LSU is the defending national champ. If it were any other team, this would not be a topic on this forum.
I really doubt that those espousing the view that last year's champ should start out #1 were bitching about Florida's pre-season ranking last year.
:kige:
Posted on 8/20/08 at 9:49 am to tigers
For the record, the undefeated scenario I mention will not happen. But honestly, no one has given a solid negative about the automatic #1. Just feelings. When they(whoever it is) prove to be not worth it by losing their first game, they will be eliminated from consideration and the current order wil be restored.
Posted on 8/20/08 at 9:51 am to Tiger-Striped-Bass
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I really doubt that those espousing the view that last year's champ should start out #1 were bitching about Florida's pre-season ranking last year.
I wasn't, but I'm sure FL fans were. The shoe has to be on your foot to realize it doesn't fit.
Posted on 8/20/08 at 9:51 am to Tiger-Striped-Bass
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and an undefeated previous years champ left out doesn't?
Example: OSU beats USC and goes undefeated. LSU loses 1 game. OSU is undefeated, USC and LSU have 1 loss, everyone else has 2 losses or more. LSU, in my opinion, will not go to Miami. And based on the current perception of the schedules, I don't think LSU would deserve to go. USC has a tougher schedule than LSU this year, as of now, I know that can change. So you're saying that LSU should go because we won it all last year? Even though USC might be more deserving this year? How fair is that?
(And I just want everyone to know how hard it was for me write that. I actually had to step away from the keyboard a couple of times. And once I even threw up a little.)
Posted on 8/20/08 at 9:52 am to Tiger-Striped-Bass
quote:
tigers
as stated earlier, LSU at #7 is not the defending national champs, UGA is defending the top spot.
Posted on 8/20/08 at 9:54 am to Hot Carl
quote:
The only reason we're discussing this is because LSU is the defending national champ. If it were any other team, this would not be a topic on this forum. I really doubt that those espousing the view that last year's champ should start out #1 were bitching about Florida's pre-season ranking last year.
totally wrong.
I started this thread as to view possibilities...
nothing to do with LSU.....
I think it should be an unwritten rule that goes with winning the National Championship.
1)
I just think that a Defending National Champion should be THAT until such date as it is defeated ON THE FIELD.
2)
Trying to figure out how to get rid of any bias for any team in the PRE-SEASON poll...yes I know that other polls will come later and mean more.
Being the National Champion and therefore Defending National Champion should keep you # 1
until you loose.
Some of you are trying to expand this into what it is not intended to be.
Posted on 8/20/08 at 9:58 am to rbdallas
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SouthEndzoneTiger
honest question- your scenario above, if played out, would it not go to USC(more deserved team) with the automatic #1 rule suggested? I think at that point, the strength of schedule considerations and such would support the leapfrog.
Rememember, my whole intent here in my replies is to eliminate an undefeated champion from being left out. If you lose 1, your subject to scrutiny and leapfrogs.
An undefeated team left out is bad enough, but an undefeated national champ of the previous year left out, as unlikely as it is, would be the worst case scenario.
This post was edited on 8/20/08 at 10:04 am
Posted on 8/20/08 at 10:03 am to Tiger-Striped-Bass
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as stated earlier, LSU at #7 is not the defending national champs, UGA is defending the top spot.
You could say if 50 times, but you are still dead wrong. LSU is the defending national champs until another team wins the crown.
Georgia is currently #1, but they have won nothing. If you want to say Georgia is defending their pre-season #1 ranking, then so be it, but it still has nothing to do with LSU's standing as defending national champ.
Posted on 8/20/08 at 10:05 am to rbdallas
Ok here's a reason why your proposition is not neccessary: it solves a problem that doesn't exist. I'm presuming we really don't care about who's number one in week 3, or 5, or 7, but just who has the opportunity to be play for the title. So, am I right that you'd like the prior champion to begin in the 1 spot to ensure they play to defend their title if they're unbeaten? Consider this: in the BCS era, Auburn is the only unbeaten BCS team that failed to gain the opportunity to play for the title. So, for every other year, your proposition addresses a problem that simply does not exist. Whether ranked #2 or #22 at the beginning of the season, no unbeaten BCS team other than Auburn has missed that opportunity. I will go out on a limb here and say, had Auburn been the previous years champion, they'd have had enough juice in the polls to pass OU and play for the title. Just my opinion FWIW
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