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re: Basketball lost me a long time ago....
Posted on 2/25/16 at 8:02 am to STRIPES
Posted on 2/25/16 at 8:02 am to STRIPES
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Basketball lost me a long time ago....
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The NCAA has changed the rules to favor offense big time. Defense is no longer emphasised.
You realize this just happened recently, right?
Posted on 2/25/16 at 8:02 am to STRIPES
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The shot clock is a terrible idea and truthfully so is the 3 point shot.
So much fail in this statement.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 8:02 am to STRIPES
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Not just LSU Basketball but college basketball in general.
The NCAA has changed the rules to favor offense big time. Defense is no longer emphasised.
The o l d days of UNC and Dean Smith with the 4 corners. Those teams could wear down a defense with ball handling that simply doesnt exist today.
The shot clock is a terrible idea and truthfully so is the 3 point shot.
Cylinder violations are almost never called but happen in every game. Hanging on the rim is not only allowed but actually glamorized. They have even developed a "break away" rim to accomodate what should be a turnover.
Pushing off, travelling, carrying the ball and 5 second violations just are never called.
They have turned an organized sport into a "street ball" version which should be reserved for city parks and The "Y".
Then they allowed players to just play one year college basketball before entering the NBA draft. There isno real experience in college basketball anymore due to the players leaving.
I understand that the younger fans cant related but this game that is played today is like comparing WWE or WWF to true wrestling or comparing "T ball" to baseball.
When you change the basic rules of the game something is lost. Basketball is just not the same game that it was and I miss the true game of basketball.
I haven't watched an NBA game in 15 years, and now you've ruined the college game for me. Well said and have an upvote, sir.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 8:09 am to SlowFlowPro
That pace clip might work against you.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 8:13 am to c on z
not if logical consistency is their goal
OP complains of the 3 point shot. it was introduced in the NBA in 79/80 and 86/87 in the NCAA
if OP prefers bball from the pre-3 era, we're talking 70s/early 80s
OP complains of the 3 point shot. it was introduced in the NBA in 79/80 and 86/87 in the NCAA
if OP prefers bball from the pre-3 era, we're talking 70s/early 80s
Posted on 2/25/16 at 8:14 am to TNTigerman
Russillo and Kannell was co hosting with Mike Greenbergthis morning and was talking about how today's NBA is much more intelligent and detailed as compared in the 70s-90s. People romanticize how the game was much better back then and there were more defense played. Ryen said go back and watch those old tapes in the 70s and see how everyone was just standing there and 0 transition defense was present. In the 90s it was straight iso streetball with everyone mauling each other. Now the defenses are much more complex with hedging, matchup zones, and the use of advanced stats for scouting. Also we see the incorporation of motion offenses and pure advancement of these athletes compared to 20 years ago. On the pro level, the could be the best era of basketball that we have ever seen. Those who say the 70s-90s were better haven't watched it just not basketball fans at all
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 8:17 am
Posted on 2/25/16 at 8:17 am to STRIPES
you want to go back to the days of no shot clock, 4-corners and no 3-point shot??? I remember those days, and I'm glad they're gone. The game was very slow and the middle was clogged since they didn't have to defend the arc.
Hey look, I'm old school too and realize the game has some issues, but these aren't part of the problem.
Hey look, I'm old school too and realize the game has some issues, but these aren't part of the problem.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 8:27 am to STRIPES
Also gotta address this "traveling is never called" ... false. I see a handful of travels enforced every college game, many of them of the borderline variety.
(It is a rarity in the NBA, I'll grant)
(It is a rarity in the NBA, I'll grant)
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 8:28 am
Posted on 2/25/16 at 8:29 am to atltiger6487
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and realize the game has some issues
Namely officiating, AAU and the 1-and-done rule.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 8:48 am to SlowFlowPro
Wanna know what else is funny?
OP likes Dean Smith's four corners game. The shot clock rule (which he hates) was in place because of that.
OP likes Dean Smith's four corners game. The shot clock rule (which he hates) was in place because of that.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 8:52 am to STRIPES
Cmon man admit it. You gave up on basketball when one of those street ball dudes blocked your two handed set shot back in your face in 8th grade..... We'll be fine without you.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 8:56 am to STRIPES
Dang! You waited about 30 years to lament some of those rules! I officiated basketball 20 years and I see a lot of what you do. The ticky tack fouls slow the game down yet they allow player control fouls all the time. I will say, especially with the speed of today's players, it is easier to call travelling from the stands or TV than it is on the floor because you're sometimes too close. The third official, with a better angle, isn't going to call "walking" under the nose of a partner. "Carrying the ball" is an offense that "died" several years ago. Players "palm" the ball all the way down the floor. What's aggravating is you might have a "murder" at one end and a subsequent innocent "reach in" at the other. The speed of the game has caused officiating to slip as has the overall ignoring some "older" rule violations. I hate the one and done as I think everyone does.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 8:58 am to c on z
yeah i have no clue how somebody can prefer the 4-corners to the passing and movement in the gif i posted
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:05 am to STRIPES
I agree with you. I used to be a big hoops fan but now, I just casually watch LSU and I expect to see failure and disappointment.
The rules changes have made the game a formalized pickup game.
The rules changes have made the game a formalized pickup game.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:07 am to STRIPES
I agree (to an extent) with the spirit of you argument, but necessarily the reasons listed.
The shot clock is a great rule change. I mean, nothing was more exciting than watching a team dribble out the last 2:00 of a half with no action whatsoever. Aside from that, yes, the NCAA has changed the rules to favor the offense. But that is because some of the games had gotten unreasonably boring (see Big 10 basketball from a few years back with games routinely ending with both teams scoring under 60) and the team offensive play is ugly.
The 3 point line is a great equalizer that allows less talented/athletic teams a chance to compete. The downside is we now have far too many bad shooters taking far too many 3 pointers. There isn't nearly as much flow in the offense at the college level because teams are just content to take the first easy 3 available. Defense isn't emphasized as much (though you shouldn't base your overall opinion on LSU's complete lack of defense), because for many teams the offensive execution is horrible.
The game started to change in the 80's where the focus shifted more to individual stars rather than great teams. Now you have a lot of very selfish players who don't like playing in a team concept. Plus, the AAU circuit has essentially replaced HS basketball. Because of that, many of today's players are superior athletes, but VERY underdeveloped basketball players. Unfortunately, AAU is just a showcase event with a large number of people who are in it as a money grab to profit off these kids. They aren't there to teach the game. Watching an AAU game is like watching an NBA All Star game, just without the All Star players. The result is a lot of ugly play because college coaches have to spend the first year or two teaching young players things they should have learned in HS.
The shot clock is a great rule change. I mean, nothing was more exciting than watching a team dribble out the last 2:00 of a half with no action whatsoever. Aside from that, yes, the NCAA has changed the rules to favor the offense. But that is because some of the games had gotten unreasonably boring (see Big 10 basketball from a few years back with games routinely ending with both teams scoring under 60) and the team offensive play is ugly.
The 3 point line is a great equalizer that allows less talented/athletic teams a chance to compete. The downside is we now have far too many bad shooters taking far too many 3 pointers. There isn't nearly as much flow in the offense at the college level because teams are just content to take the first easy 3 available. Defense isn't emphasized as much (though you shouldn't base your overall opinion on LSU's complete lack of defense), because for many teams the offensive execution is horrible.
The game started to change in the 80's where the focus shifted more to individual stars rather than great teams. Now you have a lot of very selfish players who don't like playing in a team concept. Plus, the AAU circuit has essentially replaced HS basketball. Because of that, many of today's players are superior athletes, but VERY underdeveloped basketball players. Unfortunately, AAU is just a showcase event with a large number of people who are in it as a money grab to profit off these kids. They aren't there to teach the game. Watching an AAU game is like watching an NBA All Star game, just without the All Star players. The result is a lot of ugly play because college coaches have to spend the first year or two teaching young players things they should have learned in HS.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:14 am to STRIPES
so basically, you hate the sport of basketball... no?
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:15 am to Alt26
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The game started to change in the 80's where the focus shifted more to individual stars rather than great teams. Now you have a lot of very selfish players who don't like playing in a team concept.
i can't speak for college ball, but this is not true at all for the neo-NBA
the NBA today is all about movement, passing, spacing, and teamwork
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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yeah i have no clue how somebody can prefer the 4-corners
he must love bad girls HS basketball
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:21 am to STRIPES
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When you change the basic rules of the game something is lost. Basketball is just not the same game that it was and I miss the true game of basketball.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:23 am to Alt26
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The game started to change in the 80's where the focus shifted more to individual stars rather than great teams. Now you have a lot of very selfish players who don't like playing in a team concept.
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 9:24 am
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