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re: Average SEC Head Coach's Buyout - $16,500,000
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:53 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:53 pm to lsufball19
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Well, if he does that, he'll get an even bigger raise
why? is it "industry standard" to give a coach a raise every time he exceeds expectations and put him on the "hot seat" every time he fails to meet expectations?
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Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:55 pm to lsufball19
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profound
It was a response commensurate with the statement to which I was responding.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:59 pm to SammyTiger
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He isn’t on the open market till 2021 on this deal.
correct
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Your telling us Os gonna be sad and go find another job next year and anyone would give him 5.5 guaranteed over 2 years.
I'm telling you if he went on the open market tomorrow, I believe he would have offers that pay him 5.5 million in guaranteed money over the life of the contract. I didn't specify how many years because that's irrelevant for the purposes of this argument. What is relevant for the purposes of this argument is that prior to whatever his new contract will be, Orgeron had guarantees that would have paid him 3.5 in salary in the 2019 season and a buyout that amounted to 2 million after the 2019 season. So if all he was guaranteed to be was the football coach in 2019, he would be looking at 5.5 million in guaranteed money. On the open market, I believe plenty would guarantee him more money that exceeds 5.5 million, whether that be over 2,3,4,5 years, including or not including a buyout, etc. That could be at a P5 school or a G5 school. Specifically where is also irrelevant for this argument. Total guarantees are all I'm talking about right now.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:59 pm to lsufball19
apparently, LSU would be, since you think Orgeron should be getting paid somewhere north of 4 million.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:01 pm to Whiskeyjack Del Rio
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apparently, LSU would be, since you think Orgeron should be getting paid somewhere north of 4 million.
LSU would apparently be willing to pay Will Muschamp 5.4 million/year because USC is?
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:04 pm to lsufball19
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So if all he was guaranteed to be was the football coach in 2019, he would be looking at 5.5 million in guaranteed money. On the open market, I believe someone would guarantee him more money that exceeds 5.5 million, whether that be over 2,3,4,5 years, including or not including a buyout, etc. Total guarantees are all I'm talking about right now.
You’re math is nuts.
At the end of the going into 2020 his buyout is 4.5. So at the end of 2019 he’ll have been paid an additional 3.5 Million and have 4.5 guaranteed
Currently he has 6 million (- a month salary) guaranteed but the chances of him getting fired before the end of the season are almost nothing.
He’s probably earned himself 2 more at this point a bad one and another one to see if he can correct the bad one.
No one is coming for him before the end of next season. This isn’t a decision we need to make for a year.
If he has a good year he’ll be handsomely rewarded. If he has a less than good year, maybe he shouldn’t be extended.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:05 pm to lsufball19
well since in your fantasy world Orgeron can resign from LSU tomorrow and have interviews lined up by Wednesday, then I can make stuff up too, snookums.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:06 pm to Whiskeyjack Del Rio
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is it "industry standard" to give a coach a raise every time he exceeds expectations
generally speaking, yes it happens more times than it doesn't. But it also depends on the situation. For a coach already paid handsomely, probably not. For a coach that isn't, them sure.
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and put him on the "hot seat" every time he fails to meet expectations?
again, it depends. If Orgeron hadn't meet or exceeded his expectations, then he 100% would have been on the hot seat. If a coach with sustained success over a period of time had one bad year, like Les Miles for instance, then no he wouldn't automatically be on the hot seat.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:08 pm to lsufball19
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generally speaking, yes it happens more times than it doesn't. But it also depends on the situation. For a coach already paid handsomely, probably not. For a coach that isn't, them sure.
Would love some examples of coaches being extended and given a raise without winning something.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:13 pm to SammyTiger
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Would love some examples of coaches being extended and given a raise without winning something.
Off the top of my head...
Will Muschamp
Barry Odom
Butch Jones
You, of course, know these examples
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:17 pm to lsufball19
Will Muschamp was extended after his 3rd year
Barry Odom was extended after his 3rd year
Butch Jones should be a cautionary tale , not an example. Tennessee is paying him a 8.25 million dollar buyout
It would be nice for once to sit back and do the smart thing, and not just throw money at a coach because ADs act like there playing with Monopoly money.
Barry Odom was extended after his 3rd year
Butch Jones should be a cautionary tale , not an example. Tennessee is paying him a 8.25 million dollar buyout
It would be nice for once to sit back and do the smart thing, and not just throw money at a coach because ADs act like there playing with Monopoly money.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:19 pm to SammyTiger
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Currently he has 6 million (- a month salary) guaranteed but the chances of him getting fired before the end of the season are almost nothing.
I'm glad you admit to this. So if you have accepted he isn't going to get fired after next season, you know he will be coaching at least through the 2020 season. So why does it matter if his buyout increases? Lets' say his buyout after the 2020 season is exactly the same or close to the same as it is right now, please explain how LSU would be in any worse a position as they are now? This is a rhetorical question. It all has to do with optics. It appears to others as if LSU is showing a commitment to Orgeron, but they're not committing to him anymore than what is already almost a certainty. At the end of the day, the buyout clause doesn't come into effect until if and when he's fired. If we are pretty certain he wouldn't get fired until after the 2020 season at the earliest, and if the buyout after the 2020 season will be close to or the same as it is now, then no one should care.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:23 pm to lsufball19
Let’s say he fricks in the next 2 seasons
Or just goes like 9-4 and 10-3
At that point we’d owe him 1 million to go away
If we extend his contract and his buyout we would owe him significantly more.
Boosters have money, but they are bottomless pits of cash. As some point paying for this is going to take away from something else.
It was actually a GOOD thing to have his buyout be 1 million after 4 years.
Because I think 4 years is enough time to just someone.
Or just goes like 9-4 and 10-3
At that point we’d owe him 1 million to go away
If we extend his contract and his buyout we would owe him significantly more.
Boosters have money, but they are bottomless pits of cash. As some point paying for this is going to take away from something else.
It was actually a GOOD thing to have his buyout be 1 million after 4 years.
Because I think 4 years is enough time to just someone.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:26 pm to lsufball19
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Lets' say his buyout after the 2020 season is exactly the same or close to the same as it is right now,
Do you really think that's how this is going to shake out? You think his new contract will have an increased buyout if he's fired before 2020, but the same buyout if he's fired in 2020 or after?
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:27 pm to SammyTiger
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Barry Odom was extended after his 3rd year
No, this extension he got this year was his second extension. He was extended to 2022 after his first season at Missouri.
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Will Muschamp was extended after his 3rd year
Will Muschamp was also given his second extension this year. he received his first after the 2017 season
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anything else?
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:29 pm to lsufball19
I am Going to admit I’m just clearly wrong
But if you were a Missouri or South Carolina fan, how would you feel about these guys getting extension?
But if you were a Missouri or South Carolina fan, how would you feel about these guys getting extension?
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:29 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Pure insanity.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:29 pm to UpToPar
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Do you really think that's how this is going to shake out?
I don't know. But normal people wait until the terms are released before freaking out about a buyout in which they have no idea what it will be.
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You think his new contract will have an increased buyout if he's fired before 2020, but the same buyout if he's fired in 2020 or after?
No, I don't believe it would be unrealistic for him to have a buyout that dictates it's something like 10 million after 2019 and 6 million after 2020
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:30 pm to SammyTiger
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But if you were a Missouri or South Carolina fan, how would you feel about these guys getting extension?
I don't recall them being all too upset about it at the time, certainly didn't garner the reactions Orgeron's have from our fan base.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 3:32 pm to lsufball19
I would Imagine his buyout would at least be an extension of his current buyout.
12 mill first years of the buyout (2019)
8.5 mill second (2020)
6 mill (2021)
But realistically no one can afford to wait till Jan 1st to fire a HC. Puts you too far behind the ball hiring the new one.
12 mill first years of the buyout (2019)
8.5 mill second (2020)
6 mill (2021)
But realistically no one can afford to wait till Jan 1st to fire a HC. Puts you too far behind the ball hiring the new one.
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