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re: Average SEC Head Coach's Buyout - $16,500,000
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:19 pm to Topwater Trout
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:19 pm to Topwater Trout
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did you complain when we gave CLM a raise b/c of Arkansas?
Yes. Everybody knew he wasn't going to Arkansas. Of course, Alleva got played like a fiddle. Par for the course.
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Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:20 pm to Whiskeyjack Del Rio
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USCe fans? What, all 37 of them weighed in?
I think this is a clear sign you have nothing else of substance to add. South Carolina has plenty of fans little guyPosted on 2/4/19 at 2:21 pm to lsufball19
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Correct, he's better than several HCs just in this conference paid more than him.
He is? I love all of you who think that one good year is indicative of a trend.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:21 pm to lsufball19
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That was part of the idea, not the entirety of why he was only paid 3.5MM. If that was the only reason he was paid 3.5, then why ever pay him more?
I don't know.
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Correct, he's better than several HCs just in this conference paid more than him.
Eh, I don't know if we can say this conclusively.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:22 pm to Goldrush25
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Eh, I don't know if we can say this conclusively.
You can't say he's a better coach than Chad Morris, Jeremy Pruitt, or Will Muschamp? But if you want to go down that rabbit hole, you can't conclusively say he's worse than all but a few either.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:22 pm to lsufball19
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I think plenty of programs would hire him for more than what his current guarantees are.
Which programs. There are, by your words, plenty of them, so which ones?
He wasn't a serious candidate for a head coaching position before we hired him and there haven't even been the slightest rumors of interest from other schools in his first 2 years.
I was told by plenty of people that this extension had nothing to do with preventing other schools from coming after him and everything to do with recruiting. Are you saying that this isnt true?
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:24 pm to lsufball19
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That was part of the idea, not the entirety of why he was only paid 3.5MM. If that was the only reason he was paid 3.5, then why ever pay him more?
Because at some point he may win a championship and prove he’s worth more.
10 wins is worth 100k bonus per the contract he agreed to.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:26 pm to UpToPar
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Which programs. There are, by your words, plenty of them, so which ones?
Any G5 program and probably at least a third of P5 programs would pay him 5.5 million in guaranteed money.
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He wasn't a serious candidate for a head coaching position before we hired him
Had he not been hired, how do you know he wouldn't have been?
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there haven't even been the slightest rumors of interest from other schools in his first 2 years.
Why would rumors swirl for a coach who had just been hired at a major P5 school.
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I was told by plenty of people that this extension had nothing to do with preventing other schools from coming after him and everything to do with recruiting. Are you saying that this isnt true?
Well, unlike many people, I don't view things in black and white. There isn't any one reason. I've posted plenty in these threads. I have laid out multiple reasons as to why I believe he should be extended this year. I'm not going to do your homework for you. If you want to see all the reasons I've already given, you're more than welcome to read through all of the threads.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:29 pm to SammyTiger
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10 wins is worth 100k bonus per the contract he agreed to.
Well, unfortunately for you, he's going to get a raise and an extension with different incentives, different salary, and a different buyout. LSU will be fine. People will sky scream. So basically, this site will maintain the status quo.
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Because at some point he may win a championship and prove he’s worth more.
I think he's worth 4 million/year right now. You have already agreed with that in this very thread. If he wins a championship, he will be worth more than 4 million/year.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:35 pm to lsufball19
Again, just because we are doing something, doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:36 pm to SammyTiger
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Again, just because we are doing something, doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.
Again, just because you think it's a bad idea doesn't, in fact, make it a bad idea
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:40 pm to lsufball19
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Any G5 program and probably at least a third of P5 programs would pay him 5.5 million in guaranteed money.
Why don't they?
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Had he not been hired, how do you know he wouldn't have been?
He's been coaching for 30 years and was only offered the HC position once prior to being hired by LSU. His one stint as a HC was a complete failure. He expressed interest in the Syracuse position and was never seriously considered. It think it's reasonable to believe that he would not have been hired as a HC had LSU not offered him the position.
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Why would rumors swirl for a coach who had just been hired at a major P5 school.
So, he's not a threat to be poached, right? Make up your mind. Is he a threat to walk away or not?
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:45 pm to UpToPar
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Why don't they?
Because he has a job and an employer who is going to. Your question was what would he get on the open market. That's a hypothetical that hasn't come to fruition. They haven't because he hasn't been on the open market. But I have no doubt he would get plenty of offers for 5.2 million in guaranteed money. You do realize that 5.2 million isn't a lot of money, right?
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It think it's reasonable to believe that he would not have been hired as a HC had LSU not offered him the position.
Well, that's one opinion. And, I don't agree with that opinion. Fair?
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So, he's not a threat to be poached, right? Make up your mind.
I don't see rumors swirling right now for Kirby Smart, Dan Mullen, Gus Malzahn, or basically any coach in the SEC. You think that might have something to do with them being locked in to long term deals?
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Is he a threat to walk away or not?
Well of course not now because LSU is extending his contract. I thought we went over this already.
I think it's you who needs to make up your mind if you want to argue in hypotheticals or what has actually happened.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:45 pm to lsufball19
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However, now he has shown he isn't the same coach he was at Ole Miss, hasn't let the program slip, and deserves to be paid at least an average rate of pay compared to his peers.
no he does not. You thinking it does not make it a fact.
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There is nothing wrong with paying him an average rate of pay right now.
for a coach with a career record of roughly .500 , $3,500,000.00/year is more than sufficient.
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Same general arguments, just have move the goalposts to his contract.
@ me when LSU has a division title.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:48 pm to Whiskeyjack Del Rio
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no he does not. You thinking it does not make it a fact.
And you think he doesn't deserve it doesn't make it a fact.
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for a coach with a career record of roughly .500 , $3,500,000.00/year is more than sufficient.
I disagree, but you're certainly entitled to that opinion.
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@ me when LSU has a division title.
Well, if he does that, he'll get an even bigger raise
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:48 pm to lsufball19
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Had he not been hired, how do you know he wouldn't have been?
lol.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:49 pm to Mo Jeaux
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lol
profound
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:49 pm to lsufball19
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Because he has a job and an employer who is going to. Your question was what would he get on the open market. That's a hypothetical that hasn't come to fruition. They haven't because he hasn't been on the open market. But I have no doubt he would get plenty of offers for 5.2 million in guaranteed money. You do realize that 5.2 million isn't a lot of money, right?
He isn’t on the open market till 2021 on this deal.
Your telling us Os gonna be sad and go find another job next year and anyone would give him 5.5 guaranteed over 2 years.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:50 pm to lsufball19
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Your question was what would he get on the open market.
No, my question was, was he a threat to walk away? You’ve dodged the question because you know the answer.
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Well of course not now because LSU is extending his contract. I thought we went over this already.
Have they agreed on the particulars? An extension doesn’t mean much without an increased buyout and a raise.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:52 pm to lsufball19
yes, silly me, how could I underestimate the power of GAMECOCK NATION.
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