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re: Average SEC Head Coach's Buyout - $16,500,000
Posted on 2/4/19 at 12:53 pm to UpToPar
Posted on 2/4/19 at 12:53 pm to UpToPar
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I take it you don’t own a business.
I take it you have never negotiated a multi-million dollar deal. An important part of running a business, however, is keeping your employees happy as long as the ROI doesn't hurt your bottom line. What do you think would cost LSU more? Paying Orgeron an extra 500k/year or letting him walk and being forced to pay someone else twice as much?
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Posted on 2/4/19 at 12:54 pm to lsufball19
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Buyouts only become relevant if you fire your coach and the buyout clause becomes enforceable. Otherwise, they are just numbers on a piece of paper.
Ya. So let's see him meet expectations before we make it harder to replace him
Posted on 2/4/19 at 12:57 pm to TrevRollings29
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Ya. So let's see him meet expectations before we make it harder to replace him
Like I have already said, for all intents and purposes, Orgeron is going to be here through the 2020 season. If his buyout after the 2020 season is comparable to the buyout as it stands right now, what exactly do you think LSU has sacrificed? Why do you think he would be more difficult to replace?
Posted on 2/4/19 at 12:59 pm to Mo Jeaux
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So what’s your point? Do you think O’s buyout should be higher?
Looks like Alleva has done pretty good on the buyout part of O's contract...something you and other O haters bitch about all the time
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:00 pm to lsufball19
1. Again, no one else has offered him any guarantees. You don’t negotiate against yourself.
2. Again, if O has another top 10 year we will be back at the begoatiating table, and Be giving him another raise regardless. If he wins the SEC you think him and Sexton aren’t going to leverage us because we gave him a 500k raise this year?
3. Again IF other offers come up, we can thenassess if we want to match them.
4.of o is going to get butt hurt at the only school who believed in him after he fell on his face at Ole Miss, because he didn’t get a huge raise 2 years into a 5 year contract he can get fricked. What school wants a coach like that?
5. No one is saying never pay him. Pay him next uear based on 2 years of work.
2. Again, if O has another top 10 year we will be back at the begoatiating table, and Be giving him another raise regardless. If he wins the SEC you think him and Sexton aren’t going to leverage us because we gave him a 500k raise this year?
3. Again IF other offers come up, we can thenassess if we want to match them.
4.of o is going to get butt hurt at the only school who believed in him after he fell on his face at Ole Miss, because he didn’t get a huge raise 2 years into a 5 year contract he can get fricked. What school wants a coach like that?
5. No one is saying never pay him. Pay him next uear based on 2 years of work.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:02 pm to lsufball19
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The fact was Muschamp was given a raise despite not meeting the expectations of what his predecessor set.
right because what Spurrier did wasnt the expectations of the program.
South Carolina has been, for most of its college football existence, irrelevant. the 1984 Gamecocks became the first team in school history to win 10 games. they wouldn't reach double digit wins again for nearly 30 years. Thirty. Years.
Think about that the next time someone mentions LSU going 5 years without 10 wins.
The only conference title they have is an ACC one..from '69 (nice).
Will Muschamp's average of 7 wins a year is second only to Spurrier as far as USCe coaches go. And if you take out that incredible 3 year run Spurrier had he mostly averaged..about 7.5 wins a year.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:05 pm to lsufball19
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Why on earth would you want to piss off the head coach of your football team and make him feel unappreciated and unwanted?
Because that is pure speculation.
Why on earth would a man who no other school would take a chance on feel unappreciated and unwanted by a school basically giving him a fully guaranteed 5 year 17 million dollar contract?
have you ever actually had someone offer to pay you 17 million dollars?
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:17 pm to SammyTiger
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1. Again, no one else has offered him any guarantees. You don’t negotiate against yourself.
Again, coaches get raises/extensions every year without any deals on the table made available to the media.
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2. Again, if O has another top 10 year we will be back at the begoatiating table, and Be giving him another raise regardless. If he wins the SEC you think him and Sexton aren’t going to leverage us because we gave him a 500k raise this year?
never said they wouldn't be back on the negotiating table if he won the SEC. But let's say he has another top 10 finish and doesn't win the SEC. He'd still have more leverage, but if we gave him a raise this year, he wouldn't have much.
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3. Again IF other offers come up, we can thenassess if we want to match them.
What if Orgeron is pissed off at LSU for balking this year and walks?
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4.of o is going to get butt hurt at the only school who believed in him after he fell on his face at Ole Miss, because he didn’t get a huge raise 2 years into a 5 year contract he can get fricked. What school wants a coach like that?
What coach would want to coach at a school that shows it's cheap and doesn't appreciate its staff?
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5. No one is saying never pay him. Pay him next uear based on 2 years of work.
I know what people are saying. I just don't agree
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:23 pm to Whiskeyjack Del Rio
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right because what Spurrier did wasnt the expectations of the program.
what Saban did wasn't the expectations of our program either. Expectations change with increased success. If we are to base a program's expectations on the entirety of the history of a program, what Orgeron has done exceeds what LSU has done historically. What LSU did from 2000-present is much, much better than anything they did the prior 40 years.
When USC hired Muschamp, he was not hired to have 7-5 regular season records and lose the Belk Bowl 28-0 to UVA. He was not hired to go 12-12 in the SEC in a weak division. He was not hired to go 22-17 over three seasons. I can assure you USC fans are not happy with the job he has done.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:27 pm to lsufball19
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What do you think would cost LSU more? Paying Orgeron an extra 500k/year or letting him walk and being forced to pay someone else twice as much?
Where's Orgeron walking to? This is his dream job, right? He said as much. Who is currently offering Orgeron a head coaching job?
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:29 pm to lsufball19
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What do you think would cost LSU more? Paying Orgeron an extra 500k/year or letting him walk and being forced to pay someone else twice as much?
So if O walks we have to hire a coach for 7 million dollars?
Do you know O had a built in bonus for a 10 win season.
Built in bonuses for reaching the CFP
Nothing for finishing top 10.
Almost like we care about objective things like making the playoff or winning games.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:31 pm to UpToPar
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Who is currently offering Orgeron a head coaching job?
did you complain when we gave CLM a raise b/c of Arkansas?
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:38 pm to lsufball19
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never said they wouldn't be back on the negotiating table if he won the SEC. But let's say he has another top 10 finish and doesn't win the SEC. He'd still have more leverage, but if we gave him a raise this year, he wouldn't have much.
We aren’t going to be getting any kind of deal on a top 10 coach, and if O is top ten 2 years in a row, he’ll want top 10 money.
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What if Orgeron is pissed off at LSU for balking this year and walks?
Then frick him. We’ve done more for Os career than he’s done for LSU.
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What coach would want to coach at a school that shows it's cheap and doesn't appreciate its staff?
A coach who feels like whatever offer we make them is fair. Like O did when we made him this offer just 2 years ago.
LSU also has a track record of being willing to pay their coaches top dollar when they feel they earned it. We have the highest paid DC in the country. Les was paid top dollar. We have one of the highest paid staffs in the country.
And in that scenario, o just walks away from our offer, so it’s not like we didn’t try and pay him.
So basically your whole argument again boils down to: we need to keep O happy because maybe someone else will want him next year so we should pay him now.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:42 pm to lsufball19
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When USC hired Muschamp, he was not hired to have 7-5 regular season records and lose the Belk Bowl 28-0 to UVA. He was not hired to go 12-12 in the SEC in a weak division. He was not hired to go 22-17 over three seasons. I can assure you USC fans are not happy with the job he has done.
None of that had happened when he got his contract extension.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:45 pm to UpToPar
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Where's Orgeron walking to? This is his dream job, right? He said as much. Who is currently offering Orgeron a head coaching job?
I think plenty of programs would hire him for more than what his current guarantees are. His current guarantees are 3.5 million in salary next year plus a 2 million buyout if he were fired after next season. Plenty of G5 coaches have more job security and guarantees than that.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:49 pm to SammyTiger
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So basically your whole argument again boils down to: we need to keep O happy because maybe someone else will want him next year so we should pay him now.
No, my whole argument boils down to we hired him for peanuts, comparative to his peers, so if he didn't work out, he would be easy to get rid of. However, now he has shown he isn't the same coach he was at Ole Miss, hasn't let the program slip, and deserves to be paid at least an average rate of pay compared to his peers. I've said this plenty. There is nothing wrong with paying him an average rate of pay right now. And you know what, it really doesn't matter what you and I think because what I think is going to happen, and I guess the group of our fan base freaking out over the contract will just have to cry about it just like they do about everything else with the program. First they were convinced we'd be back to the 90s when hired. There were threads like this day after day about how and why we were fricked. Those who disagreed or weren't ready to give up were donvoted into oblivion and called stupid. That obviously didn't happen, so now these same people have moved on to something else. Same general arguments, just have move the goalposts to his contract.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:09 pm to SammyTiger
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None of that had happened when he got his contract extension.
None of that happened? Will Muschamp received his extension on December 18th, so everything but the bowl game this year had happened. And his raise increased his salary to 5.4 million/year. What program, other than USC, would be willing to pay Will Muschamp 5.4 million/year right now? Anyone?
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:13 pm to lsufball19
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What coach would want to coach at a school that shows it's cheap and doesn't appreciate its staff?
Well, the idea behind the hiring of this head coach is that he would take a lower salary to hire the best assistants. So I guess that model is scrapped now if we insist that he be paid commensurate with other HCs. He's not other head coaches.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:13 pm to lsufball19
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I can assure you USC fans are not happy with the job he has done
USCe fans? What, all 37 of them weighed in?
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:16 pm to Goldrush25
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Well, the idea behind the hiring of this head coach is that he would take a lower salary to hire the best assistants.
That was part of the idea, not the entirety of why he was only paid 3.5MM. If that was the only reason he was paid 3.5, then why ever pay him more?
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He's not other head coaches.
Correct, he's better than several HCs just in this conference paid more than him.
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