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re: Average SEC Head Coach's Buyout - $16,500,000
Posted on 2/5/19 at 1:14 pm to Topwater Trout
Posted on 2/5/19 at 1:14 pm to Topwater Trout
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which is why it's likely a stupid contract. If he doesn't win a national title it can't be worth it. How many sec titles makes it worth it? 5 in 10 years?
Texas A&M is the richest program in college football. Even with Jimbo's contract, they could buy him out right now hire someone else and still have more cash flow than LSU - it's not even close.
He's not even one of the top 3 paid head coaches - they only thing that makes it "expensive" is the idea that he would need to be replaced before 10 years due to his guarantee, which is absolutely ridiculous looking at his first year results.
By your expectations of Jimbo, then you must agree that Ed should have already won 1 SEC title in his first 3 years if you look at overall expenses, including the cost of his assistants and the Matt Canada debacle.
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Posted on 2/5/19 at 1:15 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Who cares? I'm talking about Power-5 conferences. 35 of those programs pay their HCs more than LSU.
The only G5 school paying their coach more is Houston. No one else is making 3 mill
Posted on 2/5/19 at 1:17 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Going from HC st LSU to HC at a P5 school is a lateral move.
Maybe another school would pay him 4.5 after next uear, but we could match that and I dont think o is unhappy
Maybe another school would pay him 4.5 after next uear, but we could match that and I dont think o is unhappy
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 1:17 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Ancient history. O now has a top-10 finish and a top-10 recruiting class.
So basically two subjective things that don't prove jack shite when the product on the field is still 3 loss regular season and getting blown out of the water by our rival and finishing 3rd in our own division.
Take the raise and money and give it to Texas, Texas A&M, and Florida. All coaches that have their programs trending more up, on the field, than Ed O.
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Who cares? I'm talking about Power-5 conferences. 35 of those programs pay their HCs more than LSU.
And not one of them are interested in Ed Orgeron or the Rosy Finch Boyz. #facts
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 1:20 pm to SammyTiger
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Sure but it’s a fun way to waste time, ain’t it?
To some extent, yes, but after awhile, we end up talking in circles. I do appreciate that you are cordial in these discussions and will concede when valid points are made.
Others don't do that, and it is rather obnoxious that it's impossible to have differing opinions and civil discourse. These types of people can'r argue without ad hominem comments and strawman arguments.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 1:21 pm to TrevRollings29
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By your expectations of Jimbo, then you must agree that Ed should have already won 1 SEC title in his first 3 years
Wrong!!! Jimbo has won a national title...O is the worst coach in Ole Miss history
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they only thing that makes it "expensive" is the idea that he would need to be replaced before 10 years
if he doesn't win sec titles its expensive...He will not surpass bama
Posted on 2/5/19 at 1:25 pm to SammyTiger
quote:COULD be. But NOT if the pay is a million or 2 more per year, and it has a longer buyout.
Going from HC st LSU to HC at a P5 school is a lateral move.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 1:27 pm to lsufball19
I mean If you shownimperical evidence I’m wrong I’m not gonna keep digging myself a hole.
I’ll say an ideal scenario for me would be Joe saying:
O we like the way things are heading, we’re gonna give you a 500k raise and bonus going forward. Next years you money year, but we like the direction we’re going and fully expect to be talking big time extension this time next year.
No way O feels like he’s not being valued. He’s getting 500k right now and an extra 500 K next season, and know he has our support and all he has to do is win.
I’ll say an ideal scenario for me would be Joe saying:
O we like the way things are heading, we’re gonna give you a 500k raise and bonus going forward. Next years you money year, but we like the direction we’re going and fully expect to be talking big time extension this time next year.
No way O feels like he’s not being valued. He’s getting 500k right now and an extra 500 K next season, and know he has our support and all he has to do is win.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 1:28 pm to Topwater Trout
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Wrong!!! Jimbo has won a national title...O is the worst coach in Ole Miss history
I'm obviously speaking in terms of current expectations. I think it's become clear that many people who support the Ed O regime, no longer have national championship aspirations.
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He will not surpass bama
Point in case. "We Commin" just became "Nicks too good if our boy Ed can't score a point on him." Nevermind the fact that Alabama loses a game every year to coaches like Gus Malzahn (who later lost to Jimbo Fisher), Hugh Freeze, Dabo Sweeney, etc.
Precisely the reason that LSU needed to go make a splash hire, instead of lowballing Jimbo and Tom.
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if he doesn't win sec titles its expensive
LOL. It's called staying ahead of the curve. The NFL is throwing money at young offensive minds. Colleges are trying to lure the best they can, and here we are, winning 10 games on our defense with one of the leagues most anemic offenses still.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 1:29 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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COULD be. But NOT if the pay is a million or 2 more per year, and it has a longer buyout.
2 mill more a years is 5.5 million
We’re looking at 9 school who pay that.
3 of them have NCs winning coaches
7/9 have coaches who’ve played for a NC or a Super Bowl.
The last 2 are Mullen and Herman.
It’s no 36 P5 schools anymore.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 1:42 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Nice try on the spin, but 35 Power-5 programs are paying HCs more than LSU, as we speak today.
It’s no 36 P5 schools anymore.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 1:44 pm to TrevRollings29
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Alabama loses a game every year to coaches like Gus Malzahn (who later lost to Jimbo Fisher), Hugh Freeze, Dabo Sweeney, etc.
we play them after their open date. It is the worst time to play bama
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lowballing Jimbo and Tom.
link to the offers? i doubt we low balled them...one wanted to be at Texas and shunned us after agreeing to be the coach and the other shunned us the year before and we we lost out to th richest program in cfb
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no longer have national championship aspirations.
I think that is due more to Saban than who our coach is and I still have NC aspirations.
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The NFL is throwing money at young offensive minds
Gruden isn't young and the Raiders look stupid.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 1:47 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Nice try on the spin, but 35 Power-5 programs are paying HCs more than LSU, as we speak today.
Ok, but how many are making more than we could match for O?
Because I don’t see O leaving a good team just because his feeling got hurt.
That’s the crazy part of your arguement. That O would leave a program that had back to back top 10s for some desperate program paying him 6 million to be relevant.
You’re trying to argue that there are both 36 schools paying their coaches more and 36 schools paying their coaches so much more that LSU couldn’t match
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 1:56 pm to SammyTiger
quote:I also don't see O leaving. Mainly, because I think Aleva is too smart to let that happen.
Ok, but how many arenoaying more than we could match for O?
Because I don’t see O leaving a good team just because his feeling got hurt.
That’s the crazy part of your arguement. That O would leave a program that had back to back top 10a for some desperate program paying him 6 million to be relevant.
I think O stays with a modest raise & a solid buyout. And a clause that opens negotiations again if he hits certain bench marks.
My intention with this post was to shed light on the market rate on HCs salaries & buyouts.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 1:58 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
I think You have a point that buyouts since Os last contract have realy exploded.
I would Even argue that Os buyout helped reset the market.
I would Even argue that Os buyout helped reset the market.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 2:02 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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I think O stays with a modest raise & a solid buyout. And a clause that opens negotiations again if he hits certain bench marks.
We've had similar clauses in prior contracts with Saban and Miles. Saban had in his contract that guaranteed him a raise to the highest paid coach if he won the national title. Les, I believe, was guaranteed to be a top 3 paid coach. I actually think a similar clause like that for Orgeron with different qualifiers (west title, sec title, CFP appearance, national title) would probably make everyone happy. Obviously, all coaches have incentive bonuses built in, but if LSU put something in his contract that said "if you accomplish "__________" you will receive "_________" as a raise to your yearly salary going forward. I honestly wish all coaching contracts were more incentive based because over the last 15-20 years, coaches and their agents have grabbed ADs by the balls and there are no signs of the current inflation going down. Only thing I think that could ever change it would be the TV markets collapsing or the universities being required to pay athletes, the former being much more likely. Universities are just making too much money now, so they these huge salaries aren't really a huge deal to pay anymore.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 2:04 pm to SammyTiger
You suggested a $500K raise. I agree. With a 5 year guarantee/buyout, that puts O at 4 mil a year and a 20 mil buyout. That's about where I think it may end up.
Some will hate it, some will love it, but it will soon be a done deal.
Some will hate it, some will love it, but it will soon be a done deal.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 2:04 pm to lsufball19
O’s contract gives him a 1.5 million dollar bump for winning a NC
So he’d be at 5 million, that year and I have Tonimagine we would give him a new contract.
I dont Care how O wins an NC, My biggest issue with O is that we’re in year 3 and still hoping for a drastically better offense.
So he’d be at 5 million, that year and I have Tonimagine we would give him a new contract.
I dont Care how O wins an NC, My biggest issue with O is that we’re in year 3 and still hoping for a drastically better offense.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 2:07 pm to lsufball19
quote:All true, but LSU failed to stick Saban with a reciprocal buyout. Either party could end the deal with a 30 day notice. Saban might still be at LSU if there were a hefty buyout clause.
We've had similar clauses in prior contracts with Saban and Miles. Saban had in his contract that guaranteed him a raise to the highest paid coach if he won the national title.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 2:10 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Buying out coaches is never as expensive, and it’s likely Saban wouldn’t have agreed to a large buyout for an NFL team. That was always his next step.
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