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ATTN ESPN: A De-bunking of the Robert Smith-led TENN argument
Posted on 11/13/10 at 8:59 am
Posted on 11/13/10 at 8:59 am
All week long, Robert Smith has taken the lead role in de-valueing LSU as the best 1-loss team base on the ending of the Tenn game. That is his complete argument. It is a very shallow opinion that is anything but complete in its development.
First, it (Tenn ending) was early in the season at the height of the offensive/QB woes of the Tigers. Granted, at that point in time, Robert has a bit of an argument, but ALL teams have such things occur on the way to development as a much stronger team, and the Bama game shows that this development is possibly arriving, and the early part of the season is not an intelligible way of making the judgment Robert is making. It is a very shallow thought process and he is smarter than that, leading one to conclude he has an agenda or is playing a role for Mickey Mouse Football Company (ESPN/Disney)
Secondly, thems the fricken breaks. Let's go back to your Ohio State BCS National Championship year and talk about all the fortunate/undeserved breaks the Buckeyes got on the way to their legitimate BCS NC. LSU and Tenn both made mistakes, so deal with the outcome.
Third, LSU's inept offense had 20 first downs against Tenn's 12. That is hardly close, and it is indicative that despite the unfortunate ending, that LSU was clearly the better team and therefore in opposition to your incessant talking points, "LSU DID deserve to win the game" on full inspection. Not that you would expect a shallow ESPN analyst to actually look under the hood and find this fact.
Fourth, LSU outgained Tenn EXACTLY 2-to-1 in yardage with 434 yards versus 217. That is DOMINANCE.
Fifth, this one could go either way, as LSU beat themselves more in this game than any other, but LSU overcame 3 INT's and a lost fumble to win this game. Look at it either way you want to cherry-pick your argument, but it could be used to show that LSU had a sloppy game which it would have dominated and never been close had they not been unfortunate to this degree...Although that is how the ball bounces, so LSU has to deal with this mistake and find come kind of way to win anyway, which happened.
On balance, it is an example of a half-baked assessment and it is a very weak case.
Finally, almost every ESPN analyst were in the same camp about Bama making the BCS NCG IF they were the top-ranked 1-loss team. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to now take that argument and say that since LSU beat that special Bama team and is now the highest ranked 1-loss team, that this same right should go to the Tigers. Unless it does not fit your agenda, that is..
This morning, Erin Andrews is off and running with the argument referencing Robert Smith's statements throughout the week.
If you want to use this talking point, read this fricken thread and talk intelligibly and honestly about it, versus using the lame, shallow and incomplete "Well, I just think/feel" BS. That is not what analyst do, that is what shallow thinkers with an agenda do.
You are better than this Robert, You are smarter than this Robert. Don't go Herbstreit on us. Kirk is very smart and capable, yet is rarely correct because he allows his personal emotions and agenda and Mickey Mouse political demography to drive his predictions and his analysis. If he put all that to the side, his intelligence would shine bright because he is a smart and capable analyst.
Get real Robert. Get real.
First, it (Tenn ending) was early in the season at the height of the offensive/QB woes of the Tigers. Granted, at that point in time, Robert has a bit of an argument, but ALL teams have such things occur on the way to development as a much stronger team, and the Bama game shows that this development is possibly arriving, and the early part of the season is not an intelligible way of making the judgment Robert is making. It is a very shallow thought process and he is smarter than that, leading one to conclude he has an agenda or is playing a role for Mickey Mouse Football Company (ESPN/Disney)
Secondly, thems the fricken breaks. Let's go back to your Ohio State BCS National Championship year and talk about all the fortunate/undeserved breaks the Buckeyes got on the way to their legitimate BCS NC. LSU and Tenn both made mistakes, so deal with the outcome.
Third, LSU's inept offense had 20 first downs against Tenn's 12. That is hardly close, and it is indicative that despite the unfortunate ending, that LSU was clearly the better team and therefore in opposition to your incessant talking points, "LSU DID deserve to win the game" on full inspection. Not that you would expect a shallow ESPN analyst to actually look under the hood and find this fact.
Fourth, LSU outgained Tenn EXACTLY 2-to-1 in yardage with 434 yards versus 217. That is DOMINANCE.
Fifth, this one could go either way, as LSU beat themselves more in this game than any other, but LSU overcame 3 INT's and a lost fumble to win this game. Look at it either way you want to cherry-pick your argument, but it could be used to show that LSU had a sloppy game which it would have dominated and never been close had they not been unfortunate to this degree...Although that is how the ball bounces, so LSU has to deal with this mistake and find come kind of way to win anyway, which happened.
On balance, it is an example of a half-baked assessment and it is a very weak case.
Finally, almost every ESPN analyst were in the same camp about Bama making the BCS NCG IF they were the top-ranked 1-loss team. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to now take that argument and say that since LSU beat that special Bama team and is now the highest ranked 1-loss team, that this same right should go to the Tigers. Unless it does not fit your agenda, that is..
This morning, Erin Andrews is off and running with the argument referencing Robert Smith's statements throughout the week.
If you want to use this talking point, read this fricken thread and talk intelligibly and honestly about it, versus using the lame, shallow and incomplete "Well, I just think/feel" BS. That is not what analyst do, that is what shallow thinkers with an agenda do.
You are better than this Robert, You are smarter than this Robert. Don't go Herbstreit on us. Kirk is very smart and capable, yet is rarely correct because he allows his personal emotions and agenda and Mickey Mouse political demography to drive his predictions and his analysis. If he put all that to the side, his intelligence would shine bright because he is a smart and capable analyst.
Get real Robert. Get real.
This post was edited on 11/13/10 at 9:01 am
Posted on 11/13/10 at 9:11 am to therocketscientist
Good post, but it doesn't matter.
He's not going to stop saying it and people aren't going to stop repeating it.
Don't let it bother you. LSU isn't going to jump over TCU or Boise.
He's not going to stop saying it and people aren't going to stop repeating it.
Don't let it bother you. LSU isn't going to jump over TCU or Boise.
Posted on 11/13/10 at 9:18 am to therocketscientist
If I am not mistaken, and I believe CBS put this stat up after the Bama game...also throw in LSU is the ONLY school to have wins over 4 ranked teams...
Posted on 11/13/10 at 9:18 am to therocketscientist
good post
funny how the media never lets facts get in the way of a good "story"
funny how the media never lets facts get in the way of a good "story"

Posted on 11/13/10 at 9:19 am to Farley
I think what is important to me in the Tenn Game is that the call at the end of the game WAS NOT a Judgement Call, it was an observable fact that if it had been allowed to occur without penalty we and many others would have attached the SEC. Admin.
Then we would be hearing about how LSU was cheated. Doesn't matter what happens they will play it against us.

Then we would be hearing about how LSU was cheated. Doesn't matter what happens they will play it against us.

This post was edited on 11/13/10 at 9:41 am
Posted on 11/13/10 at 9:31 am to therocketscientist
Face it, ESPN, and much of what passes for sports media, desperately want TCU or Boise State or both to play for the National championship and nothing, least of all facts or rational analysis, will stay them from doing all they can to demean other teams. It could well be that this whole Cam Newton business is aimed at taking Auburn out of the championship picture, leaving Oregon as the only BCS alternative. Then they would have their holy grail, the first 1000 passing yards 100 point National championship game.
Posted on 11/13/10 at 10:24 am to Farley
quote:
LSU isn't going to jump over TCU or Boise.
Agree on TCU. Disagree on Boise.
Posted on 11/13/10 at 10:55 am to therocketscientist
quote:
All week long, Robert Smith has taken the lead role in de-valueing LSU as the best 1-loss team base on the ending of the Tenn game
1. Shouldah, Wouldah, Couldah, game the game is not over until the game is over and the game can not end on a Defensive penalty. LSU wins the Game!
Secondly, thems the fricken breaks. Let's go back to your Ohio State BCS National Championship year and talk about all the fortunate/undeserved breaks the Buckeyes got on the way to their legitimate BCS NC.
2. In order for a team to make it to the NCG that team has to have breaks that go their way along the way each and every week. There is a certain amount of luck that comes into play each year in order for a team to make it. They have to have a call or a special play or trick play and even another team has to help them also and that is something they have nothing they can control it just happens to go there way.
Third, LSU's inept offense had 20 first downs against Tenn's 12. That is hardly close, and it is indicative that despite the unfortunate ending, that LSU was clearly the better team and therefore in opposition to your incessant talking points, "LSU DID deserve to win the game" on full inspection. Not that you would expect a shallow ESPN analyst to actually look under the hood and find this fact.
3. After the last two years to have happened the way they happened what Coach or teammate would not have their doubts that either JJ or JL could get the job done and have games played in one's head after seeing it happen and being a part of. it took this long in this year for this team to finaly figure out that in order to have a passing game it had to be JL in the game and in order to have a running game they had to have JJ in the game.
Now with all three senarios having been played out and talked about this is what the game of football is all about. Figuring out how to play your players the best way that gives you a chance to win. Knowing that there are things that are going to happen in a game that you have no control over you just hope they go your way. Having to have other teams win are even lose games in order for you to be in place to play for the NC. Then there is this luck that every team that has won the National Championship had to have in order for all these things to fall into place for them to even play in THE GAME to have chance at winning THYE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.
I SAY!


Posted on 11/13/10 at 12:57 pm to CaseyMc2
quote:
Then there is this luck that every team that has won the National Championship had to have in order for all these things to fall into place for them to even play in THE GAME
And Robert Smith is in an all out msde to descredit LSU pre-emptively so that LSU cannot beat up on whoever shows up in Glendale, because he and most others are tired of the SEC being able to say they won 4 in a row and 5 of the last NC's
Posted on 11/13/10 at 1:02 pm to therocketscientist
LSU fans have the biggest little man syndrome of any dominant program in the nation.
Who gives a fvck what Smith has to say? LSU will be the first one loss team with a shot at the NC, period. No matter what he says we're not dropping if we don't lose.
All that matters is what happens to Auburn, Oregon and TCU cause we're not jumping them so worry about those games and not some talking head blowing smoke.
Who gives a fvck what Smith has to say? LSU will be the first one loss team with a shot at the NC, period. No matter what he says we're not dropping if we don't lose.
All that matters is what happens to Auburn, Oregon and TCU cause we're not jumping them so worry about those games and not some talking head blowing smoke.
Posted on 11/13/10 at 1:02 pm to CaseyMc2
Robert Scott Smith (born March 4, 1972) is a former American football running back who played with the Ohio State Buckeyes
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Posted on 11/13/10 at 1:13 pm to therocketscientist
Your post is very good, but you are trying to change the opinion of two sportscasters who played in the Big Ten. Just like Dr. Lou favors ND and in all honesty he trys hard, but Timmy B favors LSU. Opinions are like ___holes everybody has one.
Posted on 11/13/10 at 1:18 pm to therocketscientist
quote:
Finally, almost every ESPN analyst were in the same camp about Bama making the BCS NCG IF they were the top-ranked 1-loss team. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to now take that argument and say that since LSU beat that special Bama team and is now the highest ranked 1-loss team, that this same right should go to the Tigers. Unless it does not fit your agenda, that is..

Posted on 11/13/10 at 2:10 pm to therocketscientist
Bottom line, again, LSU dominated the game, nearly lost due to turnovers and still won as they should. The only fluke would have been if UT had actually won as they have the inferior team.
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