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At what point is it OK to lay blame at the feet of the players?
Posted on 6/15/15 at 10:56 am
Posted on 6/15/15 at 10:56 am
This is a never ending discussion in football due to the disdain that at least 60% of fans have for Les.
The starting pitcher made the same error on 2 consecutive routine plays and then let it get to his head. Game was essentially lost at that point. CPM isn't out there fielding grounders.
The starting pitcher made the same error on 2 consecutive routine plays and then let it get to his head. Game was essentially lost at that point. CPM isn't out there fielding grounders.
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 10:58 am to TigerRagAndrew
Paul can hook him off the mound though can't he?
everyone could see what was happening... except PM I guess
everyone could see what was happening... except PM I guess
Posted on 6/15/15 at 10:59 am to TigerRagAndrew
It is the players fault. They are the ones that are out on the field. Errors did this team in yesterday.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 10:59 am to TigerRagAndrew
Some people will say never because they are just kids and amateurs. I say that's crap.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 10:59 am to TigerRagAndrew
Paul's tight arse looking like he is about to vomit most certainly can be felt by the players
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:01 am to TigerRagAndrew
Sports is like a business. Yes people fuk up but ultimately the CEO is responsible and should shoulder the blame. He is making millions, not the players.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:01 am to TigerRagAndrew
And just like football, as long as you win 9-10 games, you're immune to criticism.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:02 am to TigerRagAndrew
Paul should have used his Jedi mind tricks to control the players. Skip did. Paul's refusal to use the force caused us that game. Fact.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:03 am to TigerRagAndrew
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2 consecutive routine plays and then let it get to his head. Game was essentially lost at that point.
No it wasn't. It wasn't even close to over at that point.
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CPM isn't out there fielding grounders.
True, but he is responsible for who he puts out there. Games like yesterday are always at the feet of the coaches. The players deserve their share, but the job of a manager is to, you know, manage. And he failed to do that.
Dunn came out after the second error, right? How many more mound visits were made between that and pulling Poche?
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:04 am to monsterballads
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Paul can hook him off the mound though can't he?
He can, but he has to wait for the next guy to be loose enough to throw or he risks the game getting further out of hand and potentially injuring the new pitcher.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:06 am to Weekend Warrior79
-Walk
-Single
-Wild pitch
-Walk
-Hit batsman
It's not March. You can't allow someone to try to pitch their way out of the jam after that.
-Single
-Wild pitch
-Walk
-Hit batsman
It's not March. You can't allow someone to try to pitch their way out of the jam after that.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:07 am to Weekend Warrior79
yep, you're right. and they got out of that inning with minimal damage. why not warm someone else up in the bottom of the inning and put him on the mound instead of poche?
it just seemed poche got rattled. he suddenly had a case of the yips. it was unreal.
it just seemed poche got rattled. he suddenly had a case of the yips. it was unreal.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:09 am to monsterballads
from ATVS:
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LSU got the first out of the 5th inning, and then the slow-moving train crash came. Let's just marvel at the death by a thousand paper cuts:
Walk
Single
Wild pitch
Error by Hale
Hit by pitch
At this point, two runs were in, the bases were loaded with only one out, and the ball had only left the infield once. Poche' took care of that with the next hitter, and the bases clearing single essentially ended the game right then.
Mainieri then went to the pen too late for it to matter. Mainieri has always had a slow hook, and it has been especially pronounced this postseason as he has lost all faith in the bullpen to make key outs. This is why he sat on his hands, with Hunter Newman already warm in the pen, during Poche's slow motion meltdown. At this point, Mainieri is what he is when it comes to bullpen usage, so there's really no point getting too upset over him following his standard script.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:10 am to Wayne Campbell
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How many more mound visits were made between that and pulling Poche?
That baffled me, why didn't Dunn come out after the single in the 5th? Then the next batter walked on 4 pitches, w/ 1 of the pitches being a wild pitch allowing the runners to advance. He definitely should have come to the mound then. I can only assume that they were waiting for Newman to be ready and new he would come in, but why not use it as a delay tactic.
Hindsight is great, but we can only imagine what would have happened had Newman come in before Hale's error allowed the score. If Newman can pitch lights out, it's only 2-0 going into the bottom of the 5th & they leave the bases loaded
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:12 am to Wayne Campbell
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No it wasn't. It wasn't even close to over at that point.
very deflating though giving up unearned runs after getting thrown out at the plate. Did they ever say why JF was thrown out at the plate? Bad jump? great play? with 2 outs and as fast as he is I didn't think it should have been close.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:12 am to Weaver
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Sports is like a business. Yes people fuk up but ultimately the CEO is responsible and should shoulder the blame. He is making millions, not the player
Oh cool, the "lets compare sports to a business and a CEO" reference.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:13 am to MrWiseGuy
I wasn't defending PM there, just stating that he couldn't risk pulling Poche until Newman was ready (for Newman's sake). I think we should have had someone start warming up after the 2nd error. And, they definitely should have been a mound visit either after the single or the wild pitch.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:15 am to LSUGrad9295
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Oh cool, the "lets compare sports to a business and a CEO" reference.
PM is a paid professional. The amateur players are not.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:16 am to Topwater Trout
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very deflating though giving up unearned runs after getting thrown out at the plate.
No doubt, but they managed to get out of the inning at that point down 2-0. Hardly over.
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Did they ever say why JF was thrown out at the plate? Bad jump? great play?
Combo of both. I don't recall ever really seeing the jump he got at 2nd, but it was a hard hit liner that short hopped the CF and he threw an absolute seed to the plate. I don't mind the aggressiveness in sending the runner with LSU's team speed. You force the out fielder to make a great throw, and more often than not they won't.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:22 am to TigerRagAndrew
I think a rational discussion that identifies the cause of a loss makes sense.
Blaming and being emotional about a player's performance as if you are injured by the loss is ridiculous and pathetic.
People who won't allow the former to happen are emotional people who get on the defensive because they are having trouble coping with the loss.
People who do the latter are emotional people who need to find blame with someone (often the coaches get the brunt of it as well) because they are having trouble coping with the loss.
The reality is that the coaches didn't do anything to lose the game yesterday. And, while the team did seem to fold to the pressure situation, it has nothing to do with them not caring or not trying hard. It's just reflective of their makeup at this stage of their careers.
Blaming and being emotional about a player's performance as if you are injured by the loss is ridiculous and pathetic.
People who won't allow the former to happen are emotional people who get on the defensive because they are having trouble coping with the loss.
People who do the latter are emotional people who need to find blame with someone (often the coaches get the brunt of it as well) because they are having trouble coping with the loss.
The reality is that the coaches didn't do anything to lose the game yesterday. And, while the team did seem to fold to the pressure situation, it has nothing to do with them not caring or not trying hard. It's just reflective of their makeup at this stage of their careers.
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