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re: Are we incapable of admitting that process matters?
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:14 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:14 pm to Lester Earl
You are talking about the final seconds against Alabama or Florida?
LSU has won how many games under Les Miles?
LSU has lost how many games under Les Miles.
The sound you hear is the air going out of your hot air baloon.
It's ok for you to admit that you hate Les Miles and that you are a Mississippi State fan in disguise.I guess I would too in your shoes.
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Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:15 pm to Lester Earl
It's Miles' fault by extension, but it was Crowton who royally screwed that sequence up.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:15 pm to coolpapaboze
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Wouldn't you say that consistently putting your team in the position to lose in the last minutes of games against inferior opponents is pretty shitty coaching?
Not if you win.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:17 pm to Lester Earl
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You cant be serious to think that was a good coaching sequence.
are we talking about the fake field goal vs. Florida?
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:18 pm to Antonio Moss
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It's Miles' fault by extension, but it was Crowton who royally screwed that sequence up.
nope
game management falls on the head coach. When the game is on the line, EVERYTHING needs to be filtered through him.
he could have held the guys from running on the field, told JJ to spike the ball, then inserted that package into the game on 4th down.
It was horrible game management, anyway you twist it. And would have been the 2nd game in as many years that he blew in the same manor.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:20 pm to Lester Earl
But it wasn't. That's the point. LSU won. You lost. Get over it.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:20 pm to Lester Earl
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and the sequence leading up to that was OK with you?
good coaching?
YEAH, Miles knew Tenn was going to have 13 players on the field and get an extra play. ThaT MAN IS A GENIUS!!!!!
Maybe you think the sequence leading up to the "Blue Grass Miracle" was Genius. That little f*cker even tried to claim it as a called play, rather than what it was - Desperation.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:20 pm to Lester Earl
Like I said, Miles' fault by extension for not overriding that moron in the booth.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:21 pm to Lester Earl
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It was horrible game management, anyway you twist it.
it was horrendous, and likely was caused by Miles calling for JJ to go in to the game after Lee had driven the team down the field.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:21 pm to Uncommon Cents
It's evident by you not answering my questions that you agree with me.
Just leave this thread if all you are going to type is "we won". We get that. That is your way to turn a blind eye to the clusterfrick that happened at the end of that game. Please, move on, ranter.
Just leave this thread if all you are going to type is "we won". We get that. That is your way to turn a blind eye to the clusterfrick that happened at the end of that game. Please, move on, ranter.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:23 pm to ForeLSU
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are we talking about the fake field goal vs. Florida?
talking Tenn game.
I didnt have much of a problem with the fake FG. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
I was focusing on the idea that LSU was lucky to have the ball bounce their way on that play. (for the person that said luck was undefinable). When a game hinges on one or 2 plays, it is pretty easy to define what happens on the back end.
This post was edited on 11/28/10 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:23 pm to Lester Earl
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It was horrible game management, anyway you twist it
This is true...
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And would have been the 2nd game in as many years that he blew in the same manor.
and in 2 different houses...
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:24 pm to Uncommon Cents
quote:This is, I think, the point of the thread. We won, which is great, but if the team is continually put in that position, and relies on luck, the other team's stupidity, etc, eventually, that luck is going to run out and we are going to lose more and more of games like that. We won ten games, I'm happy about that, but I don't think this years's success is sustainable over the long term. Regardless of our talent level, we're going to lose three or four games every year unless major changes are made to the coaching staff.
Not if you win.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:26 pm to coolpapaboze
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Regardless of our talent level, we're going to lose three or four games every year unless major changes are made to the coaching staff.
Which changes will guarantee that LSU avoids the bad result you predict?
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:27 pm to Tiger JJ
JerseyTiger - That is I think the most salient differentiator on the rant. Those of us who are process oriented struggle mightily with talent-_fortune-results-oriented success, because it does not portend for repetition of success in a sustained manner.
I despise the "we won, what is the big deal?" mentality, but it is as pervasive as those who crave process.
We just have to deal with it, as folks are folks, and have their emotions pretty strongly attached to this line of thinking.
it is kind of like human polls that insist that a team that is arbitrarily higher than another, cannot drop below another better team unless they lose. it is ludicris, but it is pervisive "thinking" also.
I despise the "we won, what is the big deal?" mentality, but it is as pervasive as those who crave process.
We just have to deal with it, as folks are folks, and have their emotions pretty strongly attached to this line of thinking.
it is kind of like human polls that insist that a team that is arbitrarily higher than another, cannot drop below another better team unless they lose. it is ludicris, but it is pervisive "thinking" also.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:33 pm to therocketscientist
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Those of us who are process oriented struggle mightily
no doubt...
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:36 pm to coolpapaboze
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Regardless of our talent level, we're going to lose three or four games every year unless major changes are made to the coaching staff.
the team lost 2 games with an inept offensive coordinator, no QB and a bunch of freshmen in the d-backfield. Yes, it wasn't pretty at times, but with the right OC in place, next year's team could be in the hunt in the end (assuming he's not a goofy system guy who has to recruit all new players)
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:36 pm to Lester Earl
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would you call it luck that against FL in the Swamp, that our holder tosses an irregular shaped ball on a fake field goal that just so happens to bounce straight up into the kickers stomach.....Good coaching? Or luck?
Was that the same ball that bounce right back up to Mallet yesterday when the snap went over his head, allowing him to not only recover it but still try to make a play? Or does luck not apply here?
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:37 pm to Uncommon Cents
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Wouldn't you say that consistently putting your team in the position to lose in the last minutes of games against inferior opponents is pretty shitty coaching?
Not if you win.
;lol:
That's just fricking stupid. If some one takes their entire life savings and goes to a casino and bets on black on a roulette wheel and wins its a good decision?
The problem with this whole discussion is everyone sees it as an either or type of question. Either a coach is good or he sucks, well its not that simple. Even good coaches will make stupid decisions from time to time. But not all bad decisions are equal, even luck is not so absolute. But you can't continually rely on luck there is a difference between being in position to win at the end and blind luck. Both happen from time to time but if you rely too much on the later, it will catch up to you at some point.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
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But you can't continually rely on luck
is there a coach in college football that relies on luck?
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