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re: Aranda Scheme: 3-4 ONE gap
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:37 pm to heartbreakTiger
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:37 pm to heartbreakTiger
Buga only carried the ball 8 times in that game. LM and CC contained Buga.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:40 pm to KG5989
Great post.
People get so hung up over 34 and 43 "base" defenses. The simple fact is, with all the teams spreading the ball out, the base defense is being minimized at all levels. Even when it's not, in an attacking 34, it's pretty much a 43 anyways.
People get so hung up over 34 and 43 "base" defenses. The simple fact is, with all the teams spreading the ball out, the base defense is being minimized at all levels. Even when it's not, in an attacking 34, it's pretty much a 43 anyways.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:48 pm to KG5989
That was a very informative and organized post. You could be on the wrong board. 

Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:50 pm to Jcorye1

And yeah pretty much. Hell our base formation this past year was a 4-2-5. Ran that probably 80% of the time. And vs TT we ran a 3-2-6 and Beckwith was lined up at DE msot of the time so it was pretty much a 4-1-6 with Debo as the 1 LB.
But yea not much difference in them now a days. Just down linemen and alignment really. Hell you could only have 2 down linemen and it would still be similar. Regardless of scheme, the goal is still the same: to stop the opposing teams offense.
This post was edited on 1/2/16 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:52 pm to PsychTiger
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That was a very informative and organized post. You could be on the wrong board.

Nah... There are my people.

This post was edited on 1/2/16 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:56 pm to KG5989
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So using this scheme, how might we line up next year you think?
End over LT - Lewis Neal
NG - Christian LaCouture
End over RT - Davon Godchaux
B LB - Duke Riley
LB over LG - Kendell Beckwith
LB over RG - Freshman (Divinity, Fowler, Thornton)
LB outside TE - Arden Key (Always stands up or also puts hand in ground?)
???
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:58 pm to thunderbird1100
Great football related post. This has to be the best post of the year.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 7:06 pm to BasilBogomil
You stole my thunder
Who on the board can get this info????
Read awhile back he wanted another chance.
Wonder about his grades

Who on the board can get this info????
Read awhile back he wanted another chance.
Wonder about his grades

Posted on 1/2/16 at 7:14 pm to thunderbird1100
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End over LT - Lewis Neal
could see this in passing situations, not sure every down. He is way undersized for a 3-4 end in a traditional sense
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B LB - Duke Riley
LB over LG - Kendell Beckwith
LB over RG - Freshman (Divinity, Fowler, Thornton)
LB outside TE - Arden Key (Always stands up or also puts hand in ground?)
The LB over the TE would be the SAM(Neal???).
Key would be on the opposite side
Posted on 1/2/16 at 7:17 pm to KG5989
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style of D can dictate how the offense blocks, you can find your mismatch and constantly exploit it.
Sure, but doesn't it make the defense more predictable and easier to attack?
Posted on 1/2/16 at 7:24 pm to thunderbird1100
DE - Neal
NT - Godchaux
DE - Lac
B LB - Key (whichever side we got the #s advantage and mismatch, Key will be there)
ILB - Beckwith (hopefully)
ILB - Duke Riley
OLB over TE - Bower / Freshman
If we had a better option at NT, Godchaux would be a DE and is a perfect fit there. But we don't. And in this 1 gap scheme, the NT needs to be very disruptive and quick, shooting the gap and the DE is there for run support and setting the edge. Lac is solid and can take on blocks very well, but doesn't get that much pressure. That's why I think Godchaux will be at the NT, but it could go either way and wouldn't be surprised if both guys see time at both NT and DE.
Beckwith and Riley at the 2 ILB spots. Also think that Voorhies could do well in 1 of these spots.
Arden Key is gonna be in that mismatch role. Wherever we can get a #s advantage, he will be there. And if we have a mismatch that we really like, Key will be used to exploit it. Gonna excel in this scheme.
Bower is the 1 that's tough to figure out IMO. Depending on the opponent and game situation, I could see him playing some DE at times. But think he will get first crack at the other OLB spot. But that freshman group of LBers will be there nipping at his heels and getting some PT. Worried about him in pass coverage. If he could put on some good weight, I think he will mostly be in the DE rotation with Lac, Godchaux, and Neal. I also see Neal playing both the DE and OLB spot too, depending the opponent and situation. Remember, Neal did play some DT here for us in the 4-3. He might be undersized, but is plenty strong enough to play DE in a 3-4 and plays with great leverage.
People we worried about how we "fit" the system, and I get it. When you hear "3-4" it has you worried. But it's a 1 Gap system, meaning you can give up some size for quickness and speed, which is what we have. We fit this 3-4 1 Gap system wayyy better than people realize. I think everyone fits it pretty good except Bower. And he could still thrive in this system. And we also have a handful of recruits that fit this system very good as well, especially at the LB and DE position.
NT - Godchaux
DE - Lac
B LB - Key (whichever side we got the #s advantage and mismatch, Key will be there)
ILB - Beckwith (hopefully)
ILB - Duke Riley
OLB over TE - Bower / Freshman
If we had a better option at NT, Godchaux would be a DE and is a perfect fit there. But we don't. And in this 1 gap scheme, the NT needs to be very disruptive and quick, shooting the gap and the DE is there for run support and setting the edge. Lac is solid and can take on blocks very well, but doesn't get that much pressure. That's why I think Godchaux will be at the NT, but it could go either way and wouldn't be surprised if both guys see time at both NT and DE.
Beckwith and Riley at the 2 ILB spots. Also think that Voorhies could do well in 1 of these spots.
Arden Key is gonna be in that mismatch role. Wherever we can get a #s advantage, he will be there. And if we have a mismatch that we really like, Key will be used to exploit it. Gonna excel in this scheme.
Bower is the 1 that's tough to figure out IMO. Depending on the opponent and game situation, I could see him playing some DE at times. But think he will get first crack at the other OLB spot. But that freshman group of LBers will be there nipping at his heels and getting some PT. Worried about him in pass coverage. If he could put on some good weight, I think he will mostly be in the DE rotation with Lac, Godchaux, and Neal. I also see Neal playing both the DE and OLB spot too, depending the opponent and situation. Remember, Neal did play some DT here for us in the 4-3. He might be undersized, but is plenty strong enough to play DE in a 3-4 and plays with great leverage.
People we worried about how we "fit" the system, and I get it. When you hear "3-4" it has you worried. But it's a 1 Gap system, meaning you can give up some size for quickness and speed, which is what we have. We fit this 3-4 1 Gap system wayyy better than people realize. I think everyone fits it pretty good except Bower. And he could still thrive in this system. And we also have a handful of recruits that fit this system very good as well, especially at the LB and DE position.
This post was edited on 1/2/16 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 1/2/16 at 7:24 pm to Lester Earl
It's just kind of weird now since we dont do a strong side DE and weak side DE, it's just a left and right DE. So with this new scheme we'll have strong and weak side DEs/LBs?
This post was edited on 1/2/16 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 1/2/16 at 7:26 pm to GeekedUp
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Sure, but doesn't it make the defense more predictable and easier to attack?
No... This D is anything but predictable.
And it's not like we will be doing the same thing over and over again to exploit the mismatch. You still give them diff looks, keep the offense guessing and on its heels. That's 1 thing that is really good about this D... The offense never knows where the pressure is coming from and keeps them guessing.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 7:36 pm to KG5989
He may play more of a base 3-4 with the talent we have at LSU. The 3-4 he runs is usually ran most of the time with a defense that may be quicker and or undersized. Do don't need all American LBs either when you play strong side slant 3-4. Balanced offenses with 2 TEs will eliminate the slants upfront and will force DL to play base 3-4 and read and react. Slanting involves no reads.
This post was edited on 1/2/16 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 1/2/16 at 7:41 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
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The 3-4 he runs is usually ran most of the time with a defense that may be quicker and or undersized.
This is exactly why he's gonna run his 3-4 1 gap scheme. We would be an undersized team if we ran a true 3-4 2 gap scheme.
And no team but us run a lot of 2 TE formations

Plus, you match your personnel based on the offenses personnel. If they are bringing in extra OL and going jumbo package, you send in extra DL to match it. Not that difficult.
And it's more of shooting the gap than it is slants.
This post was edited on 1/2/16 at 8:01 pm
Posted on 1/2/16 at 8:18 pm to justlostanothercoach
I second KG's request to pop in here from time to time. And really hope u do. I used to travel Wisconsin for work and walleye. The one thing that was quickly apparant wasthat you guys really know your football. Minnesotans not so much. Cant wait to get to Lambeau but must say theres a little part of me that would love to be in Camp Randall. Your campus and Madison in general is quite refreshing and absolutely beautiful. Thanks for popping in and your screen name must get a bit frustrating from time to time. Sooner or later its going to get yall. Peaces like Reeces.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 8:19 pm to thunderbird1100
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This post was edited on 1/2/16 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 1/2/16 at 8:21 pm to KG5989
Outstanding post my man. Sure wish we had more of these type of discussions in here. Please Keep up the good work Sir.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 3:32 pm to KG5989
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This is exactly why he's gonna run his 3-4 1 gap scheme. We would be an undersized team if we ran a true 3-4 2 gap scheme.
Undersized teams would be foolish to run a 2 gap scheme. They would have to take on a blocker, read and react.
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