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re: Anyway USC and Oklahoma run the table...

Posted on 9/24/08 at 7:51 pm to
Posted by usc6158
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Posted on 9/24/08 at 7:51 pm to
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If USC, OU and (1) SEC team were all to go undefeated, strength of schedule including a conference championship game for the SEC and Big 12 with all 4 opponents in the top 10, would leave USC on the outside looking in, ala 2003, even with USC being the AP/Coaches poll #1. There is even a chance that a 1 loss SEC / Big 12 team would beat out USC due to strength of schedule.



There's no more SOS in the BCS formula. If a team in 1 in both the Harris and the coaches, their computer rankings would have to be ridiculously low to get left out.
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 9/24/08 at 7:55 pm to
Well, USC's computer rankings might be ridiculously low. Each computer has its own way of accounting for SOS, BTW. While it is true that SOS isn't its own variable, it is a variable in all of the computer rankings.
Posted by usc6158
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Posted on 9/24/08 at 7:56 pm to
If all 3 were the only undefeated teams, I would imagine SC's computer ranking would be 3, which wouldn't be enough to get them out of the NC game if they are #1 in both of the human polls
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 9/24/08 at 7:59 pm to
Well that's a good point, you are right.

Its an interesting topic because USC would probably have the human edge, so it would be a showdown between Big XII and SEC computer ratings. The Big XII looks pretty strong this year, so their ratings should be relatively high.

Who knows?
Posted by Duzz
Houston
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 9/24/08 at 8:07 pm to
Well if an SEC team does go undefeated along with OU and USC. USC get left out but whoever wins that game will get another shared championship.
Posted by Archie Bengal Bunker
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 9/24/08 at 8:12 pm to
Anway these threads can just get deleted? Seirously, this is the what'teenth one today alone, and we are barely a quater into the season!

How about we hold this thought off until the BCS rankings come out at least.

Posted by MJRuffalo
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Member since May 2008
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Posted on 9/24/08 at 8:12 pm to
Most of you do not understand. If say USC is #1 in both human polls they are in. If OU is #2 in both human polls they are in. Computers will really only play apart if the rankngs are different in the 2 human polls.

If USC runs over the rest of their schedule they are in. If OU is #2 and playing say #4 Missiouri in the BIG-12 CG, I don't see how an undefeated Georgia or Florida can jump them wiht a win over a likely 3 loss team out of the SEC W, that have already beaten. It is possible though unlikely that an undefeated SEC team gets left out.

IMO that would be a good thing, as it would put more pressure to add a +1 game. The most ideal scenario for that is an undefeated USC team and undefeated SEC team and an undefeated Penn St. team. Penn St. would be left out, and it would be justified as the Big-10 prez is the most outspoken against a +1 format.
Posted by St Augustine
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Posted on 9/24/08 at 8:14 pm to
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Well, USC's computer rankings might be ridiculously low.


no way they play 9 conference games and their other 3 games are all against bcs teams NO way will their rankings be ridiculously low...
Posted by St Augustine
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Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 9/24/08 at 8:17 pm to
I seriously doubt the pollsters leave an undefeated sec team less than 2 ESPECIALLY Georgia or Florida since UGA has played ASU and Tech out of conference and Florida will play Miami (who might win the ACC if they keep growing and improving) and FSU

if by the grace of god we run the table (we wont) NO WAY IN HELL do the pollsters leave out the defending NC

I think they'd drop OU due to past performance...I'd love to see Stoops' bitch fest
This post was edited on 9/24/08 at 8:19 pm
Posted by MJRuffalo
Huntington Beach
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 9/24/08 at 8:19 pm to
iF that happens their would be tons of politicking on espn to get the SEC team to play USC. 24 hours straight before the final ballots are placed.
Posted by mikethetiger
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 9/24/08 at 8:21 pm to
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If all 3 were the only undefeated teams, I would imagine SC's computer ranking would be 3, which wouldn't be enough to get them out of the NC game if they are #1 in both of the human polls


If all three are undefeated at the end, I wouldn't be so sure USC would stay #1 in either BCS human poll. Keep in mind that one of those polls, Harris, has not been released yet. This weekend will be the first time it is released this year.

In the past, polls were reluctant to drop someone in the top 5 if they didn't lose. Last year was a changing of that theory when LSU jumped several teams that either didn't play or even won their last game. It was a step in the right direction and hopefully this will continue this year, which it has, when USC jumped Georgia earlier this season, although Georgia didn't lose.

Why should USC be protected now that they are ranked #1 by only one of the BCS human polls. As we all know, the AP has it's agenda. They would love to undermine the BCS and by keeping USC #1, the rest of the year, they would help cause enough controversy against the BCS. And it's working. It's still September and we are debating what will happen in 10 weeks.

This is why the BCS was created in the first place, to try to take the power away from biased human polls and spread the decision making to unbiased computer polls/BCS formulas. We wouldn't be having any of this crazy discussion this early in the season if they wouldn't have taken out the SOS component and Quality Points component since the 2003 championship game that USC's schedule wasn't strong enough to overcome.
Posted by Al Bundy
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 9/24/08 at 8:21 pm to
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yes its LIKELY. especially WHEN the sec beats each other


fixed it for you...not fair, but it is the way it is...USC is very good, but we will never know how good in comparison to teams that get tested more frequently and significantly throughout the year....getting beat up and having to be on your best in hostile environments multiple weeks in a row is vastlt different than what a USC type team will face.. LSU/UF/AU/BAMA/UGA must do so...Again, USC is goo, and this is not fair....and that is how life works
This post was edited on 9/24/08 at 8:31 pm
Posted by Cornholio
LaPlace
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 9/24/08 at 8:22 pm to
I hope 3 teams go undefeated so 1 can get left out. Just hope its not LSU. Maybe then we can finally get rid of this bullshite BCS and have a playoff. It will happen again, its only a matter of time.
Posted by holdthttiger
Member since Aug 2008
850 posts
Posted on 9/24/08 at 8:25 pm to
I dont see how the human polls would keep USC in the NC game if an undefeated team came out of BOTH the Big 12 and the SEC. They have ONE ranked opponent on their schedule.
Posted by St Augustine
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Member since Mar 2006
70758 posts
Posted on 9/24/08 at 8:27 pm to
like was stated earlier...the big 10 and pac 10 need to be left out to get their commisioners in line
Posted by Al Bundy
Member since Nov 2004
7278 posts
Posted on 9/24/08 at 8:28 pm to
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dont see how the human polls would keep USC in the NC game if an undefeated team came out of BOTH the Big 12 and the SEC. They have ONE ranked opponent on their schedule


So Cal has 2o-something million people. thats how.
Posted by MJRuffalo
Huntington Beach
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 9/24/08 at 8:29 pm to
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I dont see how the human polls would keep USC in the NC game if an undefeated team came out of BOTH the Big 12 and the SEC. They have ONE ranked opponent on their schedule.


First off none of us knows how many ranked teams will end up on anyone's schedule. Secondly if a pollster believes that USC is the best team why would he/she drop them?


Posted by Cornholio
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 9/24/08 at 8:32 pm to
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First off none of us knows how many ranked teams will end up on anyone's schedule. Secondly if a pollster believes that USC is the best team why would he/she drop them?


How can any pollster know they are the best if they have a shitty body of work?
Posted by MJRuffalo
Huntington Beach
Member since May 2008
6619 posts
Posted on 9/24/08 at 8:36 pm to
Speaking for myself I understand football. I can look right now at USC and see that they are a very good team. I honestly cannot say the same for LSU. The play of the secondary leaves alot to be desired , giving up inside leverage with no saftey help etc.. If you really know the game you can tell who is good and who isn't.


I also believe that everyone is underestimating USC's schedule, 12 bcs opponents, no 1AA no North Texas's etc... There is a good chance that Ohio St. ends up in the top-5 or even with a loss to Penn St. top-10 and USC beat them badly.
Posted by mikethetiger
Member since Nov 2004
1879 posts
Posted on 9/24/08 at 8:38 pm to
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Secondly if a pollster believes that USC is the best team why would he/she drop them?


Same reason they dropped Georgia when they didn't lose. At this point, LSU, Florida, Georgia, OU and maybe another team in the Big12 have a couple of chances to beat top ranked teams to make the pollsters "believe" someone else is better than USC.
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