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re: Anyone know who UNO will throw on Tuesday?
Posted on 3/1/09 at 10:50 pm to thunderbird1100
Posted on 3/1/09 at 10:50 pm to thunderbird1100
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figured he'd throw Cain against the better team and save Matulis for MVST
You like Cain more than Matulis? Interesting.
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Posted on 3/1/09 at 10:51 pm to thunderbird1100
he was like the 4th of our 5 relievers
Posted on 3/1/09 at 10:51 pm to moneyg
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You like Cain more than Matulis? Interesting.
NO. I just thought MAINERI would throw Cain against the better team because of the experience edge for now.
Posted on 3/1/09 at 10:53 pm to Lester Earl
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he was like the 4th of our 5 relievers
He had a 2.37 ERA...they batted .156 against him. He made 19 appearances with no starts. 2nd most among any reliever without a start.
Posted on 3/1/09 at 10:53 pm to moneyg
While I think Matulis is better at this point (not much to go off of so far) I do believe Cain gets a bad rap. He really is a pretty good pitcher.
Posted on 3/1/09 at 10:53 pm to thunderbird1100
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NO. I just thought MAINERI would throw Cain against the better team because of the experience edge for now.
I think Mainieri like Matulis more than Cain as well.
Calling Cain one of our best relievers last year is vert misleading. He wasn't heavily counted on at all.
Posted on 3/1/09 at 10:54 pm to josh336
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While I think Matulis is better at this point (not much to go off of so far) I do believe Cain gets a bad rap. He really is a pretty good pitcher.
He has pretty good stuff, but he lacks command. He has never been extremely effective.
Posted on 3/1/09 at 10:58 pm to moneyg
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I think Mainieri like Matulis more than Cain as well.
Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. But if you recall just 2 weeks ago Maineri was saying how Cain was pushing Bradshaw for the 3rd weekend spot and would start in front of Bradshaw for sure if Bradshaw wasn't near 100% to start out. Maineri talked up Cain big time this off-season.
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Calling Cain one of our best relievers last year is vert misleading. He wasn't heavily counted on at all.
There is nothing misleading about being called upon 19 times last year, having a 2.37 ERA and batters only going .156 against you. He had a role last year and filled it incredibly well IMO.
Posted on 3/1/09 at 11:01 pm to moneyg
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He has pretty good stuff, but he lacks command. He has never been extremely effective.
Thats false, when he can throw the ball over the plate, he is extremely effective. If he has that issue resolved, he could be our 2nd best starter by season's end.
Posted on 3/1/09 at 11:01 pm to thunderbird1100
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He had a 2.37 ERA...they batted .156 against him. He made 19 appearances with no starts. 2nd most among any reliever without a start.
Coleman
Bertuccini
Ross
Bradshaw
i mean he threw 19 innings only for a reason
Kyle Beerbolhm had a 0.00 ERA. Was he our best pitcher? No.
Posted on 3/1/09 at 11:04 pm to thunderbird1100
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Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. But if you recall just 2 weeks ago Maineri was saying how Cain was pushing Bradshaw for the 3rd weekend spot and would start in front of Bradshaw for sure if Bradshaw wasn't near 100% to start out. Maineri talked up Cain big time this off-season.
I read that as well. And yet, in his first outing, he gave up 3 runs in an inning of work. If he's a different pitcher this year, then good for him and us. But, that's not what we are talking about. If he's the same pitcher, he has no business being a starter, IMO.
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There is nothing misleading about being called upon 19 times last year, having a 2.37 ERA and batters only going .156 against you. He had a role last year and filled it incredibly well IMO.
Bradford, Coleman, Bertuccini, and Bradshaw where the main relievers last year.
Cain pitched in midweek and meaningless games for the most part. Like I said, he was not heavily relied on. Your post was misleading.
Posted on 3/1/09 at 11:05 pm to Lester Earl
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Coleman
Bertuccini
Ross
Bradshaw
Bertuccini was the only strict reliever out of those. Those other 3 also started some games.
I don't know what's so hard to understand about Cain having a specific role and him filling it very well. He was called on 19 times last year (2nd most of the relievers w/o a start behind Bertuccini) and ended up pitching very well. Nicholson had a similar role (to a lesser extent) and didn't fill it nearly as well.
Posted on 3/1/09 at 11:05 pm to josh336
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He has pretty good stuff, but he lacks command. He has never been extremely effective.
Thats false, when he can throw the ball over the plate, he is extremely effective. If he has that issue resolved, he could be our 2nd best starter by season's end.
That's what command is. I said he has good stuff but lacks command. You are agreeing with me.
Posted on 3/1/09 at 11:07 pm to thunderbird1100
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Bertuccini was the only strict reliever out of those. Those other 3 also started some games.
a total of 7 games.
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I don't know what's so hard to understand about Cain having a specific role and him filling it very well.
i never said he didnt fill his role. But he was the 4th or 5th guy in the pen if they needed an out.
Posted on 3/1/09 at 11:07 pm to ProjectP2294
quote:fixed it for you
they had a juice monkey slow pitch softball team last year. all those guys could rake, but they were a team full of DHs, not much on the defensive side.
Posted on 3/1/09 at 11:17 pm to moneyg
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I read that as well. And yet, in his first outing, he gave up 3 runs in an inning of work.
He gave up 3 runs over 3 innings of work. And that's just 1 outing. Little early to judge based on that...
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Cain pitched in midweek and meaningless games for the most part.
Wrong.
Cain pitched 8 times in conference play, 1 time in the SEC tournament and 1 time in the NCAAs. He actually had more appearances in conference games/tournament games than "meaningless/midweek" games.
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Your post was misleading.
It wasn't. He was very good for us last year. 2.37 ERA, 19 appearances, .156 opp. batting average. He filled his role very well.
Posted on 3/1/09 at 11:18 pm to Lester Earl
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i never said he didnt fill his role. But he was the 4th or 5th guy in the pen if they needed an out.
And he did very well with however you want to put it, theese were the facts...2.37 ERA, 19 appearances, .156 opp avg...
Posted on 3/1/09 at 11:22 pm to thunderbird1100
it was also a fact that he wasnt one of our top relievers. However u want to put it
Posted on 3/1/09 at 11:27 pm to Lester Earl
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it was also a fact that he wasnt one of our top relievers. However u want to put it
Exactly. And he was used an inning at a time at most. To use last year's performance as justification for a starting position is a stretch, IMO.
The argument for him being a starter this year is that he's just progressed as a pitcher.
Posted on 3/1/09 at 11:39 pm to Lester Earl
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it was also a fact that he wasnt one of our top relievers. However u want to put it
19 appearances, 2.37 ERA, .156 opp avg says otherwise
He was good.
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