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Any offensive discussion without this being the #1 talking point is meaningless.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:43 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:43 am
Not like this hasn't been discussed, but very little when compared to all the other alleged issues. It's just not the low hanging fruit that's easy to scream about for the "fire everyone" crew.
We're so weak & ineffective on the O Line. Blown up all night long Sat. Nothing else matters.
No offense has any success without a strong O Line unless the entire offensive scheme is based on working around it (spread, option, quick game, etc). Let us run that offense and see the melt here when we can't put a game away in the 4th quarter. The guys losing their shite then would still have no clue it would be all about the O Line.
We may not be in a rebuilding mode if all you look at are the skill positions. But, on the O Line? We're absolutely rebuilding and it's everything. Let's hope some continuity and some coaching allows us to see some of the things we looked forward to seeing from Canada's offense.
We're so weak & ineffective on the O Line. Blown up all night long Sat. Nothing else matters.
No offense has any success without a strong O Line unless the entire offensive scheme is based on working around it (spread, option, quick game, etc). Let us run that offense and see the melt here when we can't put a game away in the 4th quarter. The guys losing their shite then would still have no clue it would be all about the O Line.
We may not be in a rebuilding mode if all you look at are the skill positions. But, on the O Line? We're absolutely rebuilding and it's everything. Let's hope some continuity and some coaching allows us to see some of the things we looked forward to seeing from Canada's offense.
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:45 am to Damseyrarrar
It's hard to do anything when their entire defense is only concerned with stopping Guice.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:48 am to rmnldr
It's hard to do anything when you can't block anyone.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:55 am to Damseyrarrar
I agree, we definitely need to get in the shotgun and go four or five wide and hit some quick passes on mismatches and so on, Problem is is Etling still shows signs of inaccuracy on short routes and our receivers also drop the passes that he does put on target. Our d line and O line need to be heavily recruited for next year for sure.... I do think we should see what Brennan can do during these next couple weeks because if Etling stays inconsistent then we need a different plan....Key needs to run all practice and get back to his fighting weight because he looks like jello on the field, assignments need to be drilled into the defenses head on containing and so on, if you cause a penalty you should get pulled for at least a series which would hurt because we have no depth on O line and D line. Canada needs to figure out some new schemes because that whole only running 10% of the playbook seems to be BS.... There is a lot to be done and we need some major recruiting done for next years class!!!!!
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 11:57 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:56 am to Damseyrarrar
quote:Except we werent. Only 8 pressures on 22 dropbacks correct?
We're so weak & ineffective on the O Line. Blown up all night long Sat. Nothing else matters.
Yall need to go watch how bad other lines are in pass blocking at the college level
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 11:56 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:59 am to lsupride87
With one of the top backs in the country, I'd think running the ball effectively was our goal. Pass blocking is easier than dominating the L.O.S.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:04 pm to Damseyrarrar
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Pass blocking is easier than dominating the L.O.S.
Run blocking is far easier. And anyway, we averaged over 5 YPC.....
People always want to blame the O-line because they think it makes them football savvy.
But 8 pressures on 22 dropbacks, and getting over 5 YPC is a solid job
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:05 pm to Damseyrarrar
Yep
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:08 pm to Damseyrarrar
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Pass blocking is easier than dominating the L.O.S.
It's a lot easier driving someone backwards than to keep them from driving you backwards. Find some body comparable to you in size and strength and test your theory. 
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:10 pm to rmnldr
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It's hard to do anything when their entire defense is only concerned with stopping Guice
They didn't stop Guice, though.
We just didn't give our running backs the ball enough.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:11 pm to Damseyrarrar
When you lose by 30 pts, it's a safe bet you got dominated on BOTH sides of the LOS.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:11 pm to Godfather1
quote:But we didnt. Christ guys yall can actually look this shite up
it's a safe bet you got dominated on BOTH sides of the LOS.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:28 pm to lsupride87
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People always want to blame the O-line because they think it makes them football savvy.
Watching the O Line is savvy. Wish I did it more often.
We can't block. We don't have a QB that we can sling it 60 times with, so therefore we need to be able to run it. If you think 5 YPC & pressure stats washes out what jumped off the screen Sat night, then I'm not sure how to proceed here.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:29 pm to lsupride87
I dont need to look it up. I watched the game. We got dominated in the trenchs on both sides the ball. Stats for people that dont know what they watching
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:29 pm to airfernando
I had a HS coach who was probably the best OL coach in the business at that level - simple concept of "hit and get back" - pop your opponent as you would on a run play except it's a one step move, then step backward and prepare to "hit and get back" again. This keeps the defender from getting 1-2 quick steps into the backfield and prevents the pocket from collapsing. What I see most OL players doing these days is immediately taking a back step to seemingly avoid "missing" on the first hit/contact. Problem with that is that all leverage is lost immediately and you're on your heels versus balls of your feet. Ask any good golfer what that does to your balance and power - same principle applies for blocking.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:30 pm to Damseyrarrar
quote:Yes we can. The numbers back it up
We can't block
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:31 pm to boxcar willie
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Stats for people that dont know what they watching
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:32 pm to lsupride87
What popped out on yalls screens was Etling leaving the pocket at times he absolutely did not have to.
Some stats can lie, but only getting pressure on 8/22 dropbacks is absolutely not one of those stats that can lie. Yall saw Etling running around, and immediately freak out on the O-line
Some stats can lie, but only getting pressure on 8/22 dropbacks is absolutely not one of those stats that can lie. Yall saw Etling running around, and immediately freak out on the O-line
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:40 pm to Damseyrarrar
This 100%. Etling has little to no time. There are no holes for the running backs to run through.
Its almost like we need to run a, you guessed it, Fullback again. Just to help with the protection and possibly open up holes as a lead blocker.
Its almost like we need to run a, you guessed it, Fullback again. Just to help with the protection and possibly open up holes as a lead blocker.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:47 pm to lsupride87
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lsupride87
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Except we werent. Only 8 pressures on 22 dropbacks correct?
exactly what I was thinking. The receivers were not getting any separation from the DBs.
The D was the main culprit for the final score.
I'm not sure that KT is the right man for the CB job. It seems as though he is constantly making mistakes.
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