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re: Anonymous coach rips Saban for cheating
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:47 am to Bamboozles
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:47 am to Bamboozles
Truth.
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Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:53 am to Bamboozles
All of the top programs cheat. Some cheat more than others. Bama cheats the most. A handful get away with more than others would because of their brand.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:33 am to Covingtontiger77
There are more than a few posters here that will never get tired of the taste of nickthemidget's nutsack.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 9:35 am
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:44 am to PinevilleTiger
quote:
Saban is a middle tier coach
I've now read it all. Congrats. You just made my signature.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:57 am to JawjaTigah
What Saban has over all the others is two things.
1) He's a recruiting savant. He knows how to sel himself and his organization better than anyone else in the college game. He knows what he's looking at on film down to very tin details hat most miss....things like ankle flexibility ( I kid you not)
2) He is highly organized and has created a CIA like staff that is a s detailed oriented as he is. His in home presentations are incredible and if there is some hiccup he's prepared for it. In 2006 when he took the job he basically told the Bama boosters, that "I'm your new boss" They do nothing without running it by him or someone in the compliance office first and most of those guys had worked at the NCAA or the SEC offices. His key on the coaching end aside from getting very good coordinators are the " analysts. At one point you had Lane Kiffin and Steve Sarkisian on staff. Two former USC head coaches ......there is your advantage
1) He's a recruiting savant. He knows how to sel himself and his organization better than anyone else in the college game. He knows what he's looking at on film down to very tin details hat most miss....things like ankle flexibility ( I kid you not)
2) He is highly organized and has created a CIA like staff that is a s detailed oriented as he is. His in home presentations are incredible and if there is some hiccup he's prepared for it. In 2006 when he took the job he basically told the Bama boosters, that "I'm your new boss" They do nothing without running it by him or someone in the compliance office first and most of those guys had worked at the NCAA or the SEC offices. His key on the coaching end aside from getting very good coordinators are the " analysts. At one point you had Lane Kiffin and Steve Sarkisian on staff. Two former USC head coaches ......there is your advantage
Posted on 8/20/18 at 10:12 am to atltiger6487
quote:
NFL and college football are completely different games.
The NFL strives for parity - that's why the draft is like it is, salary caps exist, and the schedules are adjusted based on last year's records.
Not to mention it's far different coaching multimillionaire players than college kids.
Some coaches are better college coaches - some are better pro coaches. Doesn't mean any of them are a "washout." Just means their style is more suited to one or the other.
That's fair.
I'm just more impressed by elite coaching at a professional level.
Alabama plays the fricking Citadel this year. Anybody on this board could literally coach and win that game.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 10:20 am to NawlinsTiger9
quote:good lord. Over the past 10 years, Alabama's OOC schedule has included, in reverse chronological order:
Alabama plays the fricking Citadel this year. Anybody on this board could literally coach and win that game
Florida State
USC
Wisconsin
West Virginia
Va Tech
Michigan
Penn State
Penn State
Va Tech
Clemson
Florida State
Posted on 8/20/18 at 10:30 am to atltiger6487
quote:
Florida State
USC
Wisconsin
West Virginia
Va Tech
Michigan
Penn State
Penn State
Va Tech
Clemson
Florida State
So what is that, one home and home series in 10 years?
Posted on 8/20/18 at 10:31 am to atltiger6487
Wasn't speaking on their SOS
Just making light of the fact that the NFL has no gimme games, and certainly nowhere near the talent gap that favors college teams like Alabama.
Granted, Saban recruited well enough to build that talent - and he's an excellent recruiter, no doubt - but when you have the best facilities, the most resources, the best lineage, etc., then it's not hard to see how the deck is stacked.
That's why his "style" was less than successful in the NFL - it was actually a relatively even playing field.
Just making light of the fact that the NFL has no gimme games, and certainly nowhere near the talent gap that favors college teams like Alabama.
Granted, Saban recruited well enough to build that talent - and he's an excellent recruiter, no doubt - but when you have the best facilities, the most resources, the best lineage, etc., then it's not hard to see how the deck is stacked.
That's why his "style" was less than successful in the NFL - it was actually a relatively even playing field.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 10:33 am to NawlinsTiger9
quote:
Wasn't speaking on their SOS
Coaches Poll
Maybe you should. Check out Bama's highest ranked OOC opponent - it's Arkansas St (tied with Troy, BTW).
Posted on 8/20/18 at 10:37 am to The First Cut
I gave up on fairness and the use of basic logic in CFB after the Mulligan bowl in 2012
Nothing surprises me anymore after that shite.
Nothing surprises me anymore after that shite.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 10:38 am
Posted on 8/20/18 at 10:46 am to NawlinsTiger9
quote:
Granted, Saban recruited well enough to build that talent - and he's an excellent recruiter, no doubt - but when you have the best facilities, the most resources, the best lineage, etc., then it's not hard to see how the deck is stacked. That's why his "style" was less than successful in the NFL - it was actually a relatively even playing field.
It's very similar to the way Bear Bryant dominated football during his time. Everyone wanted to play for the Bear and at that time scholarships weren't limited as they are now. Bear scooped up every athlete worth anything, killed two years of their eligibility then shipped them over to Samford to play for Bobby Bowden.
Bama will spend whatever it takes to win. In Bear's time it was having 200 people dress out for every home game, in Saban's time in providing the best facilities in the market. It's not Xs and Os that separate these guys from their peers, it's domination of talent. If you need evidence you only have to look at Saban's career prior to Bama - one one-loss season and a losing overall bowl record.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 10:56 am to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
quote:
He knows if he had to play on an even field a la the NFL via Miami, he's a 7-7 average coach
All NFL teams aren't on equal playing field from year to year either. You think those Miami teams were as talented as the Patriots?
Nick Saban is elite in every regard, but especially Recruiting and organizational skills.
Hell, look how quickly he got LSU to recruit top 5 classes? You think he had the NCAA in his back pocket back then?
This thread is riddled with jealousy.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:22 pm to The First Cut
quote:exactly who's responsible for getting that talent?
It's not Xs and Os that separate these guys from their peers, it's domination of talent
quote:good god, are you seriously saying Saban wasn't a top coach prior to Bama?
If you need evidence you only have to look at Saban's career prior to Bama - one one-loss season and a losing overall bowl record.
Toledo: won the MAC his first year
Michigan State: took over a bad program and got them to 9-2 after a few years
LSU: won the SEC his second year; won the NC his fourth year
Bama: took over a truly mediocre program and won the SEC his second year; won the NC his third year.
You simply CANNOT claim that Saban wasn't an elite coach prior to Bama. If you do, it's just outright jealousy.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:28 pm to The First Cut
quote:the poster wasn't bitching about home-and-home. He was complaining that Bama playing the Citadel (while conveniently omitting that we've played Chattanooga, Jax State, Sam Houston State, New Mexico St, UAB, Idado, Towson, etc).
So what is that, one home and home series in 10 years?
I merely pointed out the fact that one of Bama's OOC games each year for the past decade has been a very strong opponent. We've played some very tough OOC teams too.
If you want to bitch about weak OOC scheduling, just bring the facts.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:38 pm to NawlinsTiger9
quote:
I gave up on fairness and the use of basic logic in CFB after the Mulligan bowl in 2012
Absolutely. Miles and LSU were jobbed. No way that 'Bama should have gotten a rematch. But, I am assured by all in the SEC and NCAA that everything is now on the up and up...
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:39 pm to Canwoodtiger
Whose truth, Sparky?
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:42 pm to LSUStar
quote:uh, the BCS rankings were 2/3 human polls and 1/3 computer rankings.
Miles and LSU were jobbed. No way that 'Bama should have gotten a rematch. But, I am assured by all in the SEC and NCAA that everything is now on the up and up...
The NCAA and SEC had nothing to do with it.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:48 pm to Drizzt
quote:
The school literally exists only to have a football team.
I dated a girl for a while that went to bama . She went to an alumni meeting in New Orleans. This was 12-13 years ago.
I asked what they talked about, she said football.
so bama had people come down to NO to discuss football with their Alumni. Not football coaches or the AD part of an open publicized event. Just Alumni assoc., found that interesting.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:56 pm to KiwiHead
Why wouldn't we want a coach that does everything he can to get recruits to commit, not in a foolish manner but in a way that doesn't attract an inordinate amount of attention to the program's methods?
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 12:58 pm
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