re: Analyzing Miles and LSU

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I agree with most of what you have said, but off the field issues are prevelant in this program. The Shady bar debacle, tm7 simon and ware suspended for a game, tolliver getting in bar fight, RP getting kicked off the team, and TM7 dismissed this year. This shite seems to happen almost every offseason since Miles arrival. He is a players coach, but at some point he needs to become a hard arse and make these players understand they screw up on the field with penalties or off the field doing stupid shite they will be tended to by him.... not by university policies.

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This shite happens at every university. Its one of the reasons Auburn is in the tank this year. I mean have you heard of Cam Newton, Michael Dyer, Reggie Bush, Dereck Dooly lost one, Will Muschamp lost half a team after taking over for Urban Meyer. Ohio state is banned from bowl contention.

Lots of you guys have a lack of perspective.

Miles will be fine as long as he keeps Chavis, which I don't see him going anywhere. The defense has been championship caliber each year Chavis has been here, with the excpetion of his first year which was still a very solid D.

Overall, the scheme is right. With the defenses Chavis fields, having a power running game and controlling the clock is the way to go. But the problem is the passing attack poses no threat whatsoever, and we don't attempt to make it a threat. Struggling to complete anything over 10 yards isn't exactly going to keep defenses in coverage.

Defenses are willing to stack the box and sell out to the run, because we do not make them pay for doing so.

There's way too much to pick a part here, but I couldn't help but try to address a strange disturbance in your logic...

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Since 2007 the only time the offense has rarely clicked, is in the early half of 2011

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In 2008:
(Unranked) LSU 38 - (#14) Georgia Tech 3
LSU had a *near school record of 28 points in the 2nd quarter -- all offensive

*The 28 points in a quarter is only surpassed by the 30 pts scored by LSU in 2008 in the 4th quarter against Troy.

Also, that year LSU outgained #7 Georgia 497 to 443 as well as outgaining #1 Alabama, #10 Auburn, #14 Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Moo State, and nearly doubled North Texas, Tulane, and Appalation State's yards.

LSU was 9th in the SEC in Total Defense and Scoring Defense that year.

This is the same year the defense gave up 50 points twice. Granted that Lee threw 16 interceptions that year, but if LSU had the defense they did in '05,'06,'07,'09,'10,'11 or now, we could have easily been on pace for an 11-2 season or better.

In 2009 you'd have a much better argument after Miles made the switch to Jefferson. Although LSU did at least enjoy a 31-10 drumming of Auburn that year. I would mainly have to place the blame on JJ and his lack of ability.

In 2010:
(#11)LSU - 41 (#17)Texas A & M - 24
LSU's offense was certainly "clicking" on their way to gaining 446 yards.

In 2010, LSU outgained #6 Alabama (and put up 423 on 'em), #14 Florida, #17 Tex A&M, #22 West Virginia, Ole Miss, and McNeese St. And the Tigers doubled the yardage of Vandy and Tennesee.

But yea, haven't had any signs of life since 2007.

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Without PP7 in 2010 and TM7 in 2011, we do not go 11-2 and 13-1 respectively.

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I really hate it when people make this arugement: Take away this player and x. The bottom line is we don't know what would happen... and there is no way of knowing what would happen.

Take your same argument and apply it to the loss of Perrilloux. If he doesn't get kicked off the team in February of 2008 do we not win a poop-ton more games?

In 2008, LSU lost to the #11, #7, and #1 team in the country (#1 in overtime that year 27-21). After the Alabama loss, we were clearly emotionally drained, and did not even show up until the 4th quarter to play Troy and didn't show up at all the play Ole Miss. Even though our offense numbers were pretty good in '08, can you imagine how much better they would be if we didn't have a first year SEC QB starting? A present Perrilloux would have done wonders to help keep the defense off the field and keep up from our end of the year collapse.

In 2009, LSU only lost to the #1 and the #3 team in the country before suffering an embarassing last second brain malfunction against Ole Miss and the mud bowl against Sandusky State. You gotta believe that Perrilloux would have been worth at least 1 win right??

Hell, in 2010, would we have lost to the eventual National Champions at their place if they didn't recruit Cam Newton?

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But can we do better than Miles?

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I try to stay level headed about my analysis of LSU, and 'm certainly no Miles apologist, but who are we gonna go get? And more importantly, how the hell do we explain to the rest of the nation why we are firing Miles?

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Not exactly a yearly occurrence of losing to them.

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I said if it becomes a yearly occurance...in the future

Well said. I like Miles, respect him. Glad he's at LSU but honestly, wish Saban had stayed.

I agree with you mostly but a good OC could fix this

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I agree with you mostly but a good OC could fix this

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IF Les lets that good OC run his own offense and not implement what he wants to run, then yes a good OC would fix this. But there is a reason we have had multiple OCs during Les era, and the ones that left have said that Miles controlled the offense and over ruled play calling.

In a nut shell, Chavis is a great DC. We need a great OC to go along with that. A balanced offense with a power running game, but enough pass to keep things honest. I think Miles is a stand up guy and a very good coach and would be a great friend. BUT, and here it is, (Clint Eastwood qoute) if he isn't getting the job done, you have to let him go. Studrawa as a OC isn't getting it done. If kragthorp can't do the job, then ya gotta let him go. We are only aloud so many coaches, can't just take up space if they are not producing.It sounds harsh, but it's a reality.

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3) Passing game will always be poor. QB recruitiment / QB development has not happened since Saban's players left in 2007 (Russell & Flynn

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Flynn was a RS Soph when Miles became coach. Most of his coaching happened under Miles. Saban gets no credit for the 2007 NC year (he was 3 years remocved from the program and going into 07 the minimal time Flynn played, he didn't look good.

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(4) OLine play has been horrible post 2007 when the last of Saban's guys left.

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The OL was extremely good last year and like all SEC teams, the OL looks good when you get experience on it. Our OL this year would look much better without injuries.

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But LSU will always be 11-2 or 10-3 or 9-4 team with a rare SEC title

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disagree....he's been here 7 full years and won 2 SEC championships and lost the SECCG. LSU is part of the cycle of the conference. We are extremely good about every 4 years. PLaying for the conference championship 3 of 7 years isn't rare. It's extremely good.

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(1) Since 2007 the only time the offense has rarely clicked, is in the early half of 2011 when Lee posed the genuine passing threat, defensive teams did not pack the box that much or got burnt doing so.

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Agree, but most acknowledge the limited passing accuracy of our 2 QBs during that stretch of 07-11. We also had Crowton who was bad (and has continued to be bad at his next 2 stops after LSU).

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3) A lot of LSU's success in 2010 came from special teams play and turnovers caused by PP7. (4) A lot of LSU's success in 2011 came from special teams play and turnovers caused by TM7. (5) Without PP7 in 2010 and TM7 in 2011, we do not go 11-2 and 13-1 respectively. Maybe Mo Claiborne had a lot to do as with the record as well.

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Stating the obvious....all teams with very good recrods have strong defenses and really good special teams. I don't see how this is a negative. If you are going to have a chance to play for the NC you have to be solid in all 3 phases. The fact our special teams was so good is a testament to the coaching staff focusing on it as a legitimate part of our success. Urban Meyer did the same at Florida by playing starters on STs.

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+To expect improvement on offensive is being naive. This is not execution, this is not play calling this is the philosophy

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Disagree....youth and inexperience will correct some of the OL issues alone. Philosophy doesn't cause dropped passes or 10 penalties and 2-3 turnovers a game. There is a lot of room for improvement in the execution department.

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+QB, OC, players change. The result is the same

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Give us 1 year with a legit passing QB and a healthy OL and you will feel different.

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+But can we do better than Miles?

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It would be extremely difficult.