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re: Analyzing Lee's Throws (With Screenshots)
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:42 am to TheDoc
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:42 am to TheDoc
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2 hands on the ball and you excuse the WR for dropping it?
If the receiver gets two hands on the ball, he should catch it, but the pass could still have been poorly thrown. The two are not mutually exclusive.
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Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:42 am to slackster
I didnt mind the ones greater than 5 yards down the filed... he just needs to bring those RAINBOWS in the flats down a little.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:43 am to OBUDan
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You don't have a point. And I already argued against whatever it is you think you are trying to say.
It's pretty clear you're incapable of thinking rationally.
Sure you did, by claiming I haven't watched Lee and his confidence since midway through 2009. Then you completely ignored the fact the guy has looked confident most of last season despite getting a raw deal and having fans attack him for one mistake in the Auburn game when he played with a severely injured wrist for most of the game.
Again, at what point last season outside of the 4th down against Auburn at the end of the game, did Lee show a lack of confidence? Answer that since you are going back to 2009 for your argument and saying it showed all the time since then.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:43 am to OBUDan
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2 hands on the ball and you excuse the WR for dropping it?
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Lord, I had a lot more respect for you until your recent posts.
Why not just answer his question?
You seem to hold the QB to a very different standard than you hold the receivers.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:44 am to OBUDan
double post
This post was edited on 9/5/11 at 12:45 am
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:44 am to rickyh
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threw it off his back foot
That is how JL throws. Sometimes it hinders his ability to put enough "mustard" on a throw, and sometimes he overcomes it with his upper half, but at the moment, JL's current mechanics make him throw off of his back foot on most passes.
Edit: It is not your typical "throwing off your back foot" shite because it is entrenched in his mechanics. Should it be fixed? Sure. Is it a major problem? No not really.
This post was edited on 9/5/11 at 12:45 am
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:44 am to OBUDan
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Lord, I had a lot more respect for you
Respect on a message board
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:45 am to Housplants
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Why not just answer his question?
I've answered it already, at least 4 times in this thread. Slackster covered it above.
Both players can be at fault.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:49 am to Geaux2002
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Again, at what point last season outside of the 4th down against Auburn at the end of the game, did Lee show a lack of confidence?
When has Lee "shown" confidence? When has Lee "shown" a lack of confidence?
Stop trying to speculate how a player feels based on the way he shrugs his shoulders or the way he throws a pass. JL is a 22 year old college student who had a very unfortunate 2008 season and has been booed as late as 2009. All OBUDan is saying is that if JJ comes back, it will not do Lee any good. Will it harm him? Hard to tell, but it certainly won't help the situation.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:49 am to slackster
How many balls were catchable? Would Eric Martin or Josh Reed make the catch? Yes! It is just as much on the receivers. At least, he knew the route and put the ball where they had a chance to make the play. Better receivers would have caught most of those passes.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:49 am to Geaux2002
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Then you completely ignored the fact the guy has looked confident most of last season despite getting a raw deal and having fans attack him for one mistake in the Auburn game when he played with a severely injured wrist for most of the game.
Watch his 2-3 plays against WVU. It's like 3 successive mental mistakes, and him looking around in a state of confusion before getting yanked again.
Against Florida he looked more in control and confident than he has in a long, long time. But he didn't sustain it. He (and JJ) looked like rubbish against McNeese or whoever.
I'm willing to bet you are one of a select minority that honestly believe Jarrett Lee has looked confident playing out there.
I don't know why I'm having to explain this to you. But seriously, I get it. Lee can do no wrong in your eyes. That's fine. We just disagree.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:50 am to rickyh
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Better receivers would have caught most of those passes
So you think we've failed to recruit quality receivers for the better part of 3,4 years now?
Because the drops are nothing new.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:51 am to Housplants
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You seem to hold the QB to a very different standard than you hold the receivers.
I agree. OBUDan is more critical of Lee than he is on the wide receivers. Unless we know the play being called, it is hard to determine who is at fault on some of these plays. Was it a poorly thrown ball or a poorly run route? OBUDan usually gives the receivers the benefit of the doubt in his analysis.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:52 am to OBUDan
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Both players can be at fault.
I sure hope this is not how our WR coaches or our WRs feel about this issue.
On every level of football I have played or watched, the WR mantra has been that if you get two hands on the ball, you should catch it.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:52 am to OBUDan
That was a good analysis. Expect shite from both sides.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:52 am to OBUDan
I think it's funny that you and your "Lee hating" crew are just as bad as the Lee sunshine pumpers. You both take it to an extreme, and it's pretty pathetic on all fronts.
Lee showed some good things in the game, and showed some things he definitely needs to work on. No one has said he played lights out nor has anyone said the receivers kept him from being 22-22 for 500 yards.
Most ARE saying he showed some improvement and the WRs left a lot to be desired themselves. All you've done is try and continue to not give Lee some room to develop into his role since he's been the starter all of 1 week and only gotten the reps with that intent for maybe 1.5 weeks.
Lee showed some good things in the game, and showed some things he definitely needs to work on. No one has said he played lights out nor has anyone said the receivers kept him from being 22-22 for 500 yards.
Most ARE saying he showed some improvement and the WRs left a lot to be desired themselves. All you've done is try and continue to not give Lee some room to develop into his role since he's been the starter all of 1 week and only gotten the reps with that intent for maybe 1.5 weeks.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:52 am to OBUDan
JJ had a shitload of drops last season.
That excuse is self-negating
That excuse is self-negating
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:53 am to rickyh
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Better receivers would have caught most of those passes.
I think the lack of experience with the WRs and lack of chemistry with JL did not help at all. Miles said at halftime that he was going to have to calm down some of the players because they were so amped up. Mathieu can get away with that, but Lee and the WRs have to stay more even keeled.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:54 am to slackster
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All OBUDan is saying is that if JJ comes back, it will not do Lee any good. Will it harm him? Hard to tell, but it certainly won't help the situation.
No, HE is the one claiming that Lee hasn't shown confidence since mid 2009, not me. So if you are going to throw your little lecture at anyone, throw at OBUDan for making his retarded claims of knowing Lee's confidence.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:54 am to Housplants
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On every level of football I have played or watched, the WR mantra has been that if you get two hands on the ball, you should catch it.
+10000000
ball hits you in the hands, despite a poorly thrown pass, you catch it.
no excuses.
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