re: an anology for the people who want les gone.

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"visor" seems to be a bit over the hill.

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I think if the Visor had LSU's talent he would be coaching 'em up and kicking some arse.
I mean honestly who wants to go play at South Carolina?

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Frat boys who buy hats with monosyllabic penis jokes on them.

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That will get you to the papa john bowl

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Les Miles can win 10 games a year if he can get Nick Saban to take care of the recruiting and (and probably the game-day coaching).

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I know your comment is more agenda driven than anything else, but when you win 51 games in 5 years, you get credit for all 51 wins and not just the last 2 years. Nick's a fine coach, but he didn't coach one of those 51 wins on game day.

If you want to talk career, then you would be close to being right cause Miles is bout a 68% winner. Of course Nick is only a tad better at bout 70%, so I don't know what that tells us if anything.

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Anytime a school hires a coach, rest assured that you'll know more about that coach in years 4&5 than in years 1/2/3. Les Miles is no different from any other coach in this respect.

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Did you know that in Nick's 4th season at MSU he was 6-6? So, while there is some truth in what you say, there is also no given that what happens in those years, unless they are both losing seasons, tells the tale as to what happens after the 4th or 5th year.

I don't know what will happen in the next 2 years and neither does anyone else. I would suggest we all hold our water till we do know, but each to our own.

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I know your comment is more agenda driven than anything else,

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I don't have an agenda.

The most recent two years are more important and more indicative of a coach's ability than three to five years ago.

I'm sure you're a smart person, so I'll assume that we agree there.

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Did you know that in Nick's 4th season at MSU he was 6-6?

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And in his fifth year?

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there is also no given that what happens in those years, unless they are both losing seasons, tells the tale as to what happens after the 4th or 5th year.

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When the 4th and 5th years represent a dramatic departure from the 1st three years, the 4th and 5th years are practically ALWAYS the more accurate gauge of the coach's ability.

For example,

--Nick Saban was only 26-12 through his first three years at LSU, but was 22-4 in years four and five. Which was the more accurate indicator of his ability? At Michigan State, he was 19-16-1 in the first three years, then 15-8 in years four and five (he didn't coach the bowl game in 1999, so HE went 9-2 that year, although the team went 10-2). Again, which of those is the more accurate indicator of his ability?

--Mack Brown was 8-24-1 in his first three years at North Carolina, then 16-7 in years four and five. Which was the more accurate indicator of his ability? Then, at Texas, he was 27-11 in the first three years, but 22-4 in years four and five. Which was the more accurate indicator of his ability?

--Further back, Bear Bryant was 20-7-5 in his first three years at Alabama, but 21-1 in his fourth and fifth years. Which was the more accurate indicator of his ability?

--Urban Meyer was 31-8 in his first three years at Florida, then went 26-2 in his fourth and fifth years. Which was the more accurate indicator of his ability?

--Gerry DiNardo was 26-9-1 in his first three years at LSU, but only 6-15 in his fourth and fifth years (did not coach the final game in 1999). Which was the more accurate indicator of his ability?

--Les Miles was only 12-12 in his first two years at Oklahoma State, then 16-9 in his last two. Which was the more accurate indicator of his ability? At LSU, he was 34-6 in his first three years, then 17-9 in his fourth and fifth years. Eerily similar records for two years (3rd-4th at OSU, 4th-5th at LSU) at both schools after dramatically different records in his first two or three years at both schools (each different in a different direction) indicate that those two-year records at both schools after he had been there for two or three years are pretty much indicative of the level of coach he is. That's fine for Oklahoma State, but doesn't cut it at LSU.

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If you want to talk career, then you would be close to being right cause Miles is bout a 68% winner.

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For a short three-year burst after inheriting a powerhouse, he was 34-6. For the four years before that at Oklahoma State and the two years after that at LSU, he is a very ordinary 45-30. So, which is the more accurate indicator of his ability? Six years at two different schools, four of which were teams that were mostly his creations, or three years at LSU after he inherited probably the most talented team in school history?

Well now I know how the geeks felt.

Here's the deal, bang your date on the way to the party like a man. Tell everyone and your ex might get so jealous she takes you in the storage room and bangs you, beggin you back.

Do what you want, when you want, with who you want at the party and if she leaves with someone else...so be it.

WTF are you doing at the party alone at 4am anyway!!

Then, since your single, you are able to go to FLA for the summer and meet a bisexual Miss Bikini America who has a 10 million dollar inheritance from a deceased grandfather. She falls in love with you and one night, after a threesome with her and her friend, you are sitting on the deck of her yacht "at 4 in the morning slap drunk thinking" damn, I LOVE my life!

Point is, if your one of the most attractive in the country, you just might find much better out there, you might just end up with Saban, just sayin

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-Les Miles was only 12-12 in his first two years at Oklahoma State, then 16-9 in his last two. Which was the more accurate indicator of his ability? At LSU, he was 34-6 in his first three years, then 17-9 in his fourth and fifth years. Eerily similar records for two years (3rd-4th at OSU, 4th-5th at LSU) at both schools after dramatically different records in his first two or three years at both schools (each different in a different direction) indicate that those two-year records at both schools after he had been there for two or three years are pretty much indicative of the level of coach he is. That's fine for Oklahoma State, but doesn't cut it at LSU.

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I'll be honest. I'm one of the most avid Miles supporters on this board, but this argument was really a home run. It shows that while Miles is capable of bringing success to his teams, he's never been one of the premiere coaches in his division. This data suggests that Miles was always just a step below Brown and Stoops in the Big 12, and has now reached the same level below Saban and Meyer in the SEC.

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I maintain my belief that Miles is a top-15 nationally coach.. with the misfortune of playing in a division with two top-5 coaches. The fact of the matter is, with those first three years, Les Miles bought himself a certain amount of time. These last two seasons have been extremely frustrating at times, but I'd give it about two more years of 9-3 or 8-4 seasons before he gets the boot.. his credentials here warrant at least that much.

FWIW, it's becoming all the more difficult to defend Miles, and I believe that another year like the last two will cause me to give up on him.. the fact of the matter is that the last two years, it has been hard to watch an LSU game. However, those two years can be explained away by unfortunate circumstances. Three years removed from the RP debacle and the departure of Bo Pelini, these excuses no longer hold merit.

MIles has a lot of people breathing down his neck. He needs to show that he can be competitive with the likes of Saban and Meyer or his future is bleak at this college.

That's it.........summed up pretty good