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Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:55 am to jeff70121
I see some stupid shite on this board and this could be top 10
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:22 am to Erin Go Bragh
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I like the way baseball does it. Get drafted and still have the option of returning to school if a deal can't be made.
This may be the solution which would place the well being of the student first..
BUT BUT there has to be a time factor because once he declares a SCHOLARSHIP IS OPEN.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:25 am to jeff70121
No. Neither of them will have practice with the team nor are they part of the team any longer. Besides, they probably have agents now that disqualifies them.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:30 am to rbdallas
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BUT BUT there has to be a time factor because once he declares a SCHOLARSHIP IS OPEN.
Agreed. I think in baseball, and others may know precisely, a player drafted in June has to the middle of August to sign.
No reason this can't be applied to football. The NFL, with a small selection pool, may not like it but as you said, it is a way of putting the student first.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 12:13 pm to Erin Go Bragh
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Agreed. I think in baseball, and others may know precisely, a player drafted in June has to the middle of August to sign.
Baseball has a minor league / farm system.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 12:29 pm to Erin Go Bragh
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The NFL, with a small selection pool, may not like it
And that's a salient point to make. It's the NFL that waits three years to draft players There is no NCAA rule that can prevent a player from signing after one year if the NFL changed its ways.
An NFL team only has seven draft picks. They're not going to risk losing one so the kid can return to school.
The NCAA doesn't want to screw with the NFL and risk having its product diminished.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 1:42 pm to Geaux2LSU
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Everytime I read this board I get disgusted and just want to punch someone in the face. Miserable mfrs on this board. They should absolutely go. They've paid for that right and have given more to LSU than Coach O's fat arse has(who get paid btw unlike them).
I seriously feel like a topic that has nothing to do with politics, has an undertone of being politicized.
Let's call it what it is. Everyone who thinks players should stay is being stereotyped as one side of the isle, and everyone who thinks they should do whats best for them (allegedly) is on the other side.
Seriously, how else are you going to get so emotional about something that is actually quite objective unless you're building this into something it isn't. Sitting out is always going to be controversial because obviously, the game is ending a season that they were not eligible to go to the NFL for. So, some people think that part of the agreement includes finishing the season and some think that it doesn't.
All of this players getting paid and doing enough … irrelevant. As of right now, they don't get paid in college. Believing that they should finish the season doesn't mean one doesn't think that they should continue to not get paid and it certainly doesn't mean that one is probably in some different financial situation and would never understand... which is exactly the bs inaccurate undertone to this.
When I first went to college, I ended up working so much that I quit going to school and I went broke anyways. I ended up joining the military and then coming back later to finish school. I guess being able to be accepted into the military is a privilege now (along with everyone else that I served with that was happy just to have a bed and 3 meals).
I think they should play the one last game, so I guess I'd never understand the hardship of someone who has NFL caliber position coaches giving them individualized training, ESPN/CBS showcasing their talents in a world that would probably never draft someone straight out of HS, even it if were legal, professional strength trainer mentorship, professional nutritional guidance, professional tutoring on demand, grade a lodging, meals, a degree (that if they used their resources could probably have good enough grades to qualify for graduate degree, or do you think just anyone can walk up to the business professor and say hey I still dont get it spend an hour with me?), fame, and probably a job guarantee when they are done with football.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 1:45 pm to Geaux2LSU
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Everytime I read this board I get disgusted and just want to punch someone in the face. Miserable mfrs on this board
eeeewwwwwww.....internet badass alert!! Somebody hold me.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 1:56 pm to RedTigerRulz
Heard from a friend who has a reliable source,for what that's worth, that Fournette wanted to take his entourage and make the bowl trip and get all the goodies and Coach O nixed that.Hope it's true because if they quit their teammates,coaches and university they get nothing from that point on. Yes they contributed to the team but the university gave them the stage to improve,learn and become a prospect.And I can understand them protecting their interest and future but you take the good with the bad.Just my 2 cents worth.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 2:09 pm to jeff70121
Posted on 12/20/18 at 2:20 pm to TrevRollings29
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I think they should play the one last game, so I guess I'd never understand the hardship of someone who has NFL caliber position coaches giving them individualized training, ESPN/CBS showcasing their talents in a world that would probably never draft someone straight out of HS, even it if were legal, professional strength trainer mentorship, professional nutritional guidance, professional tutoring on demand, grade a lodging, meals, a degree (that if they used their resources could probably have good enough grades to qualify for graduate degree, or do you think just anyone can walk up to the business professor and say hey I still dont get it spend an hour with me?), fame, and probably a job guarantee when they are done with football.
That’s flawed logic ... the players who have the ability to play professional football... came to LSU to eventually play professional football... if recruiters told them some thing different they wouldn’t have come to LSU...
It’s political to the people who actually think these kids owe LSU anything ... if they didn’t excel at football LSU you wouldn’t have them there...
Posted on 12/20/18 at 2:23 pm to jeff70121
No and no. Players are working their arses off preparing for this game. They are paying their dues to enjoy this experience. Players who choose not to participate are not paying those same dues. And for those who may say these two paid their dues during the regular season, there's still players working everyday, practicing, learning doing things that these 2 are not. Wouldn't be right. IMO, once they made the decision to turn pro, they created a separation between their selves and the rest of the team. It's a distraction having them around the other players talking about draft projections, money etc.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 2:47 pm to lepdagod
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That’s flawed logic ... the players who have the ability to play professional football... came to LSU to eventually play professional football... if recruiters told them some thing different they wouldn’t have come to LSU...
Missed pretty big here. Absolutely no correlation between coming to LSU to eventually play professional football (and being provided with a premium package worth over 200k a year [facilities/nutrition/specialized coaching/medical/housing/tutoring/job opportunities]), and coming to LSU and not playing the final game of their 3rd year by choice. It isn't outlawed, but the head coach (with the 4th best recruiting class after the fact) stated that he personally does not agree with sitting that game out.
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It’s political to the people who actually think these kids owe LSU anything ... if they didn’t excel at football LSU you wouldn’t have them there...
And this is the only thing that's political and gut wrenching. "If they didn't excel, "I or LSU" (I guess interchangeable, because you've now stereotyped me due to my opinion on this topic) wouldn't want them at LSU.
What is it about these individuals that would want "LSU you" wouldn't have them there? I'm willing to bet this is the real reason behind being so supportive of athletes not playing the final game. Like I said, no one is crucifying Greedy for not playing, but there's no reason to crucify people who think they should play.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 2:52 pm to TrevRollings29
I’m strictly talking football skills... nothing else... if players such as Greedy were not as talented in football... they would not be playing for LSU... I don’t think that’s a reach ...
Posted on 12/20/18 at 2:56 pm to TrevRollings29
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but the head coach (with the 4th best recruiting class after the fact) stated that he personally does not agree with sitting that game out.
And???
Posted on 12/20/18 at 2:59 pm to lepdagod
So you mean, LSU wouldn't have them on a scholarship to play football, like the rest of the population that doesn't excel at football. Do you think if a recruit told LSU right off the top, "if i'm looking like a solid prospect in year 3, I might not even finish that year instead of just skipping year 4." that they'd still get the scholy offer every time?
And the conversation is about them staying with the team if they don't play in the last game. You stated them being recruited to play in the pros eventually is related to this. I stated that Ed O said himself that he doesn't agree with sitting out the last game. I doubt they are recruiting kids with the expectation that sitting out the last game is encouraged.
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And????
And the conversation is about them staying with the team if they don't play in the last game. You stated them being recruited to play in the pros eventually is related to this. I stated that Ed O said himself that he doesn't agree with sitting out the last game. I doubt they are recruiting kids with the expectation that sitting out the last game is encouraged.
This post was edited on 12/20/18 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 12/20/18 at 3:03 pm to TrevRollings29
Depending on the player seriously... I can see a recruit saying if come the end of his 3rd year... if he’s projected in the top 3 rounds and they not competing in the CFP... he’s not playing in the bowl game... I think most coaches would be ok with this(privately not publicly obviously)
This post was edited on 12/20/18 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 12/20/18 at 3:37 pm to Lester Earl
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assuming they hire agents, they arent allowed to
Hiring agents means they are ineligible. I would think that wouldn't preclude LSU from putting them up in the penthouse at the Four Seasons for a week and giving them a generous expense account for the trip once the semester is over if they wanted to. At that point, they are no different from family of the staff, administration or boosters. That being said, they can pay their own way or watch the game on TV like the rest of us.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 3:41 pm to jeff70121
My opinion, hell no, you don't get the bowl perks either because your arse laid down on the team.
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