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re: Alleva is Holding Les’s Feet to the Fire

Posted on 1/3/15 at 4:49 pm to
Posted by mikecno
Houston, TX
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 4:49 pm to
Thanks. You obviously have been in the room with them. Thanks for sharing.
Posted by JaxTiger10
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 4:58 pm to
You realize that there are other programs in the sec that spends far more than lsu on special assts and recruiting. For example, bama's recruiting budget is 9 times what lsu's is. Alleva needs to pony up.
Posted by JaxTiger10
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2014
3893 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 5:00 pm to
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probably the most ignorant thing I've read on the Rant in a while... and thats saying something. We have a Top 5 paid staff... let that sink in and then post what you said again. We have top 10 talent in the state. How the hell can you post something that ignorant? A bad season for LSU should never end outside of the top 25 as long as we're shelling out this kind of money and remain in Louisiana. 


Again, bama's recruiting budget is 9 times what lsu's is. They spend far more on special coaches as well.
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 5:02 pm to
Alleva is not doing shite.

He's a clown.
Posted by JaxTiger10
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2014
3893 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 5:04 pm to
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33 in the country- 7 in the sec 


I get so tired of explaining this to you dumbasses. Lsu was 12th, in the entire country, in yards per play. But we were 105th in plays ran. Thats why we finished 7th in total offense in the sec . total offense is skewed by the # of plays you run.

If you seriously didnt think our 2013 offense wasnt elite youre stupid. Mett was 260 yards from throwing for more yardsn in a season, than any lsu qb ever and JHill had the 2nd most rushing yards in lsu history while setting the sec single season ypc record.
This post was edited on 1/3/15 at 5:05 pm
Posted by top100lsudonor
North Louisiana
Member since Dec 2014
52 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 5:16 pm to
Alleva a has little to no power of Les, les is more powerful in BOS and TAF etc. at least as far as football....ever since Joe talked to Tn about the AD position, Les and Joe hardly speak...
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 5:22 pm to
So why didn't Les get his way with Chavis's wants?
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 6:10 pm to
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We all know there's a massive issue with the passing game.


How so, Rummy... elaborate, please.
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 6:14 pm to
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"the ones the censors didn't whack"


Your stuff gets whacked too...?
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
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15304 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 6:15 pm to
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Then explain to me how tOSU was able to win 11 games with their second and 3rd string quartebacks and then hang 42 on Alabama on a "Neutral" field with their 3rd string quarterback who had played what? 1game in a 59 to nothing blow out of Wisconsin where he mostly just handed the ball off. Against Bama he managed their offense with enough of a throwing threat to rack up 42 points and open up their running game. How much time does Les and Cam need to get a quarterback and offense going?


This is on the minds of many of us. How much darn time do the coaches think they have with these players? Things gotta happen now.
Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
21604 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 6:19 pm to
Frick Bama!
Posted by s_i5
Earth
Member since Jul 2004
2020 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 6:28 pm to
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How so, Rummy... elaborate, please


Really? You think the passing game doesn't have massive issues??
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
15304 posts
Posted on 1/4/15 at 10:21 am to
Was a joke
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 1/4/15 at 10:36 am to
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As I see it, Joe’s tack is that Les needs to stop trying to ‘buy’ his way to success and instead ‘coach’ his way to success. Put yourself in Alleva’s shoes for a moment. Other coaches have to find young coaching talent and develop them. Why can’t you? You convinced me to hire an OC that’s among the highest paid. What do I have to show for it? How much risk do I want to hitch the LSU football future to?


You see it wrong, then. Miles has had five assistants at LSU go on to head coaching jobs. The idea that he hasn't found young coaching talent and developed them is contrary to the factual record. So, if Alleva starts from this point, he is a moron. To answer your questions:

He has. See above.

A top 10 offense last season, and a crappy one this year. I'm not a huge fan of the Cameron hiring, but one mediocre hire is hardly a condemnation. We're replacing a pretty successful DC, who Miles also hired. That worked pretty well.

To one of the most successful coaches currently working? Quite a bit. In 10 years, Miles has 3 West titles, 2 SEC titles, a national title. That is, without a doubt, the most successful era in LSU history. So yeah, I'd hitch my wagon to that.

Or, if I read your post correctly, you are suggesting LSU not pony up money to pay for assistants... then that is the single dumbest idea ever posted on the Rant, and this place is a breeding ground for stupid ideas. Tanking the program in some ill-advised grudge you hold against Miles is not cutting off your nose to spite your face, it is putting your lips around the gun barrel. LSU has had one of the, if not the best defense over the past decade. Pay for a DC. We've gotten results there.
Posted by RummelTiger
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Posted on 1/4/15 at 10:38 am to
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Baloo




Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/4/15 at 11:02 am to
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Miles has had five assistants at LSU go on to head coaching

I'm gonna need to see your list on that one, so that we can see who you consider Miles' assts. And how they have done since they left

Posted by Baloo
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 1/4/15 at 11:08 am to
I subscribe to the novel concept that assistants under Miles count as assistants under Miles. If you want some other bizarre definition, that is your prerogative.

Fisher, Pelini, Porter, Peveto, and Monken were all LSU assistants under Miles who went on to head coaching jobs. If you remember, part of the rationale for hiring Chavis was to have a DC not interested in a head coaching job because we had too many DC's go on to head gigs, which is like one of those good problems.
Posted by mostbesttigerfanever
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Posted on 1/4/15 at 11:13 am to
I saw this thread yesterday, but finally read the op.

I wholeheartedly agree with this
Posted by mostbesttigerfanever
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Posted on 1/4/15 at 11:16 am to
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quote:
Miles has had five assistants at LSU go on to head coaching



Fisher does not count, fwiw

And I too would like to see these 5 folks
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 1/4/15 at 11:33 am to
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Fisher, Pelini, Porter, Peveto, and Monken

Holee crap. You were serious

Fisher is a joke. Was already an LSU asst prior to Miles

Pelini, also a joke. Coached under Pete Carroll, Hayden Fry, Bob Stoops, Mike Sherman, Solich, and Siefert before ever working for Miles

Peveto did not win a game as a 1st year head coach! Now hes back!

Porter, lasted all of two years as a head coach

Monken is 4-20 as a head coach.


Miles coaching trees looks very, very limp considering hes been a head coach for 14 years
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