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re: After watching Carterthepower's analysis

Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:51 pm to
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1551 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:51 pm to
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It’s the scheme
sigh

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a QB that is not a threat to run
why do people think teams can't run effectively without a "running" qb?
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1551 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:56 pm to
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our issues are situational
this is where the truth is. There's not any one thing, like Chester last year. It's a different thing/player on every play. One play it's a wr drop. The next, the o line misses a stunt. The next, nuss is off. Rb misses the blocking. The task is to get it all synced up. No team is dominating. Ark offense stats are gaudy but they came against inferior competition and they have 2 losses.
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1551 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 4:02 pm to
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That’s woes that money and coaching should be fixing
what makes you think they're not getting "fixed"? Chester is on the bench so that problem got fixed. The run game is better. Lsu won't have to pass for 4k yards this year because they're more balanced

Again, what team is dominating football? Nobody. Every team has issues. Georgia's defense just got shredded. Bama was obliterated. ND is 1-2. Miami was almost losing in the 4th to fla at home. Osu barely beat Texas at home and Texas was playing without a qb.
Posted by tzimme4
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
32308 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 4:35 pm to
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he goes to at least one LSU home game per year and he visits baton rouge and LSU in the summers


Sure he does..I've never seen him once on the sideline or in the pressbox.
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
24717 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 4:50 pm to
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Its the scheme. Couldn't run block with 4 NFL lineman last year.


I thought Atkins was going to change it. If the scheme hasn't changed, that's on Kelly and Sloan as much as it is Davis and Atkins.
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
24717 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 4:55 pm to
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Todd Grantham


There goes that name again. How he keeps getting employed is jist astounding. I know a fraction of what these football coaches know, but U honestly wonder sometimes if I could outcoach Grantham.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28233 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 6:53 pm to
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cole cubelic said he talked with bk for 30 mins before the game about the woes of college o linemen these days. It's not just lsu




They are soft;
They have to be taught how to run block once they get on campus.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62021 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:40 pm to
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picture says we are averaging 3.7 ypc. If we improve that by 6 ft to 5.7 ypc we are in really good company




It’s just 6 feet
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
29643 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:16 pm to
If he was worth a crap he would have a coaching job.
Watch Richard Dickson to get the truth and technique. Carter copies a bunch of people
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
29643 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:17 pm to
False
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
29643 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:19 pm to
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Our OL has been trash since Kelly has been here. Jayden masked A LOT of issues, just like he did with the Skins dog shite Oline last year outside of Cosmi. One of the worst olines in the NFL turned into a top 10-15 oline because of Jayden. They added some good pieces this year on the Skins though with Conerly and Tunsil. And two of the other starters from last season were benched this season already that’s how much lift Jayden gave that mediocre oline. They turned into a top 10 oline in pass and run block win rate.

They gave up 3 sacks when they were starters last season. You’re full of shite.
Kelly has had great OL so I think it is the kids who don’t know how to run block and technique. That is on Davis.
Posted by Maverick14
Sulphur, La
Member since Aug 2014
4240 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:27 pm to
It’s because they think it’s a bad scheme but the truth is if your line can not block or are missing assignments then it don’t matter what scheme you put in it’s not going to work!! When your running backs can hit running lanes and run away from running lanes that’s not scheme! Thats lack of vision if you watch the film there is so much green grass these running backs miss it’s bad ! They run into there blockers a 8 yard run which is a good run could be a 15 yard run if they see the green grass they have no vision ! It’s a combination of 2 things an bad oline and a running back room that can’t see
Posted by how333
Member since Dec 2020
3987 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:05 pm to
OK. Let’s fire him now and blow our whole season.
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
22218 posts
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:58 am to
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just 6 feet


Fall forward! LOL
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52144 posts
Posted on 9/25/25 at 10:56 am to
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I don't know a single thing about offensive line blocking technique or offensive line coaching.

I know what I was taught in little league at Metry (Pontiff) Playground back in the late 60’s, and it was to make fists and hold them tight to your chest, then use your elbows to contain the defender.

Technique appears to have changed since then, though.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
17705 posts
Posted on 9/25/25 at 12:32 pm to
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Technique appears to have changed since then, though.


It has, it's pretty much once you get beat hold and as long as you don't grab them around the neck in a choke hold or pull there jersey where it's obvious because the jersey stretches out, you'll probably get away with it.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48015 posts
Posted on 9/26/25 at 9:58 pm to
I suggest you look at Kelly's coaching career. He has never coached an offensive side of the ball.
He has been a linebackers coach, a db coach and a defensive coordinator. He also played defense. Like I said... you can look this shite up.



1983–1986Assumption (DC/LB)
1987–1988Grand Valley State (GA/DB)
1989–1990Grand Valley State(DC/RC)

1991-2003Grand Valley State
2004–2006Central Michigan
2006–2009Cincinnati
2010–2021Notre Dame


Like i said... he comes from the defensive side of the ball.
This post was edited on 9/26/25 at 10:04 pm
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48015 posts
Posted on 9/26/25 at 10:00 pm to
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He got his big rep with his offense at Cinci


He was nothing but a defensive coach before ever getting a hc gig. He has never coach an offensive position in his life. 3 different times he was a defensive coach.
Posted by misey94
Member since Jan 2007
32985 posts
Posted on 9/26/25 at 10:56 pm to
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However, big picture says we are averaging 3.7 ypc. If we improve that by 6 ft to 5.7 ypc we are in really good company. So my point is our issues are situational which to me is likely a systemic issue like running a DT offense with a Pro style QB. Square peg, round hole. That to me gets up to BK and JS responsibility rather than BDavis.


When I watch our OL back in these film breakdowns, I’m reminded of the defense in 2023 in one respect- we saw guys we KNEW had talent and could play (Perkins, for example) look and play slow and tentative. The worst thing you can do to a college football player is make them think too much. House was a fricking master at that, unfortunately.

That’s not any kind of knock on the intelligence of football players, but there are realities in college ball. Practice time with the staff strictly limited, before, during and after the season. And everything they learn has to become instinctual for them to play fast and aggressive. You can make a fast and talented player look a step slow and stupidly by giving him too much to think about every time the ball is snapped.

What I see from everyone but Moore and Adams is guys playing slow and tentative. You can see them thinking about what they are supposed to be doing instead of doing it. They are working gap scheme part of the time, zone the rest and we are rotating at least one position (LG) throughout the game.

Them there are the flashes. The QB sneaks where you see Moore and Thompson pushing the DL back. The I play vs UF where everyone fired off the snap and did their jobs. When they are turned loose on a play where they can fire off the snap and just go, they actually look good. And then we have them go back to trying to run more complicated things they obviously aren’t comfortable with and aren’t very good at.

It looks like this OL needs some simplification. Whether it’s zone or gap, pick one as your primary run scheme and use the other more sparingly with a few looks that are highly polished and prepared until the OL is more confident running them.

And run outside more. That’s where we’ve had the most success so far this year. We just don’t do it enough. Our TEs are pretty good run blockers (especially Donovan Green) and we’ve got a ton of speed. USE IT. Lead with it. Make the LBs and Safeties prove they can track Johnson, Anderson and Thomas down and get them on the ground.

Don’t be proud and stop banging your head into the wall, Sloan and Kelly. Simplify the run game. Figure out the things we are best at, even if they don’t look like a traditional run game, and milk the shite out of them.
This post was edited on 9/26/25 at 11:02 pm
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