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re: A&M defense

Posted on 12/28/16 at 10:54 pm to
Posted by ForeverLSU02
Albany
Member since Jun 2007
52509 posts
Posted on 12/28/16 at 10:54 pm to
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You sound like a special ed student.
apparently the "takes one to know one" saying applies to you
Posted by MakeMoney
Guck Foodell
Member since Aug 2008
4318 posts
Posted on 12/28/16 at 10:55 pm to
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First, let me preface this with Aranda >>>>>> Chavis.

That said, Chavis wasn't a bad DC here at all. Sub-standard recruiter (and that's being nice), but a pretty good DC.

I don't think the game has passed him by. We led the SEC in D in '14 (largely because tRant pressured him to replace DJ with Beckwith after the AU debacle). In fact, I think he's ahead of the curve in dealing with all the exotic offenses of today's game. He's understood longer than Saban that you need to get more speed on the field to deal with the spread O's.

If the Aggies are struggling on D then that tells me they don't have the players. The game hasn't changed that much since '14.


Chavis has 3 problems IMO. 1) He's a lazy arse recruiter. 2) He plays the wrong athletes. Who the frick would play Welter over Beckwith? Jacob Cutrera? Just No. 3) He plays to not lose rather than win. Some of that could be the head coach putting pressure on him, but 3rd and Chavis is real...and it's awful.

I personally don't think he's a "bad" DC, just not a top one when you take these problems into account.
Posted by Juan Betanzos
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2005
3741 posts
Posted on 12/28/16 at 11:13 pm to
No.... The worst was Tepper.....not even close!!!
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20181 posts
Posted on 12/28/16 at 11:16 pm to
Agreed w/ your #'s 1 and 2. With respect to #3, he has a philosophy which IMO went really well with Fulmer and Les. Odd mix with Sumlin.
Posted by MakeMoney
Guck Foodell
Member since Aug 2008
4318 posts
Posted on 12/28/16 at 11:46 pm to
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Agreed w/ your #'s 1 and 2. With respect to #3, he has a philosophy which IMO went really well with Fulmer and Les. Odd mix with Sumlin.


Although it's not what I ever want to see from my team, I think you actually can be successful playing the "not lose" defense if you have really good athletes. A&M just doesn't have the caliber of athletes on the defensive side of the ball to play like that.
Posted by Twelve
New Orleans, LA
Member since Jun 2005
983 posts
Posted on 12/28/16 at 11:48 pm to
I love to see TAMU lose at everything.
Posted by MakeMoney
Guck Foodell
Member since Aug 2008
4318 posts
Posted on 12/28/16 at 11:56 pm to
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I love to see TAMU lose at everything.


It was glorious. Loved watching them get gashed on the qb designed runs. Where were the linebackers Chavis?

Frick A&M.
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
7441 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 12:04 am to
AlwysATger,
quote:

First, let me preface this with Aranda >>>>>> Chavis.

1+
You make some good points. I think the main problems w/ his defense at A&M are two:
1. He never was a good recruiter during his time at LSU and it's apparently worse at A&M.
2. For whatever reason (declining energy level, changing personalities of he and/or his recruits, etc., he's reaching the end of his career; his career now appears to have gone into a death spiral. I expect him to retire or move to a lower profile program in no more than a few years.
This post was edited on 12/29/16 at 8:29 am
Posted by misey94
Member since Jan 2007
33031 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 12:04 am to
Here's some more revisionism for you Chavis-lovers. He had to completely change the scheme to conservative read and react because he barely had enough bodies to field a defense in 2014. This a year after having to start 2 true freshmen in the secondary the year before. He didn't give a shite about recruiting, and Raymond couldn't be expected to do it all.

We are STILL re-stocking the front 7 cupboard thanks to his and Brick's bullshite, lazy-arse recruiting. People keep forgetting this. He lost his edge before he left, and didn't hold his D Line coach accountable.
Posted by la champ1
Member since Oct 2012
1435 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 12:37 am to
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I can't help but chuckle when we I think many felt jilted when Chavis left us. He has proven to be a drag on their program, not a difference maker. Let's hope he is there for many years to come.


After he and Brick squandered guys like Debo and D. Hunter I couldn't be happier he left. Wasted talent in his scheme.
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7266 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 1:18 am to
Recuiting aside, the man can coach a defense. He has some very frustrating qualities, but he did make a&m MUCH better on opp pts/G.

2014: 78th
2015: 30th
2016: 37th


I'm not saying he is goat, but definitely in the top 10 of NCAAF DCs. As others have mentioned lack of talent and injuries hurt the team. I don't understand why some people think he sucks or made the aggies worse.
Posted by LSU40
Vicksburge, MS
Member since Oct 2007
2253 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 1:23 am to
While at LSU he had some great D's but also had amazing players to run it with. Nothing is ever perfect
and I was happy with him while he was here, but did question many of his decisions and late game failures.
The sad thing as another poster pointed out was his shot at LSU after leaving about how nice it would be to have an offense able to score some points. It's funny how even he didn't understand a time possession offense
saved his arse many times and made him look much better.
I wish someone would ask him this in an interview and see what he would say now...
Posted by carnuba
tickfaw
Member since Jan 2009
1309 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 1:36 am to
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Recuiting aside, the man can coach a defense. He has some very frustrating qualities, but he did make a&m MUCH better on opp pts/G. 2014: 78th 2015: 30th 2016: 37th I'm not saying he is goat, but definitely in the top 10 of NCAAF DCs.


correct my memory, but aren't there 118 division 1
school?

and if so, those are good numbers?
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7266 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 1:42 am to
quote:

correct my memory, but aren't there 118 division 1
school?

and if so, those are good numbers?


There are 128 teams.

i would say since he wasn't DC in 2014 and when he joined in 2015 they jumped 40+ spots and have remained there it's a pretty solid improvement in two years for sure.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
19348 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 4:22 am to
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Here's some more revisionism for you Chavis-lovers. He had to completely change the scheme to conservative read and react because he barely had enough bodies to field a defense in 2014. This a year after having to start 2 true freshmen in the secondary the year before. He didn't give a shite about recruiting, and Raymond couldn't be expected to do it all.

We are STILL re-stocking the front 7 cupboard thanks to his and Brick's bullshite, lazy-arse recruiting. People keep forgetting this. He lost his edge before he left, and didn't hold his D Line coach accountable.
Yep. I can't quite wrap my head around saying he sucks/lazy/poor at recruiting and in the same breath saying he's a great coach. One of the key job roles for a coach in CFB is recruiting. It's like saying someone is the greatest ditch digger in the world except they don't like getting dirty. The two do not reconcile; it IS the job. Want players to run your system? Go convince the player.

With NCAA rules on practice limits, limits on # of coaches, and time+contact limits in recruiting a top CFB team has to have all coaches (and admin staff, e.g. Sharon Lewis & Austin Thomas) going full speed in recruiting. A staff literally can not keep up with one person not on the same page, much less sitting at his home in TN making demands and not lifting a finger. At least can't keep up with the competition. Again, it is part of the job. Not a side issue. Not a perk. A responsibility. Not fulfilling your responsibility to do your job as a coach, means you are by definition not a good coach. Just a fact of life as a college coach.
Posted by TampaTiger22
Tampa, FL
Member since Jul 2012
6669 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 6:07 am to
Doesn't he recruit for that D? He is past his time.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 8:49 am to
quote:

correct my memory, but aren't there 118 division 1
school?

and if so, those are good numbers?


I think the numbers were intended to show how much they improved when he got there, from 78th the year before he arrived to 30th and 37th in his first two years.
Posted by Number 31
St. Tammany
Member since Jul 2016
4178 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 10:47 am to
I didn't feel jilted that he left. What pissed me off was that he threw the Notre Dame game and ruined one of Fournette's greatest individual performances.
Posted by Number 31
St. Tammany
Member since Jul 2016
4178 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 10:50 am to
quote:

correct my memory, but aren't there 118 division 1
school?

I think it's up to 128 but who's counting...
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