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re: '97 vs '13 updated baseball stats
Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:12 am to Cincinnati Bowtie
Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:12 am to Cincinnati Bowtie
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The League, overall might have been better that year. We also had one game in which we gave up 28 runs, but, regardless, check the slugging pct. I bet that clearly defines the difference in the bats.
Home runs figure into to slugging %. I don't see how that would be any objective measure since that team hit 180 home runs.
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:13 am to dreaux
shite never mind. I just proved your point lol
Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:15 am to sportsfan
Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:49 am to sportsfan
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'97 hitting
.315 batting avg
11.30 hits / game
9.61 runs / game
.412 OB%
Pretty impressive imo
However, they were using loaded bats and that is something we will never be able to get over when comparing those numbers to recent stats.
Perfect example of the old bats inflating the numbers - Brandon Larson. Dude is an LSU legend. Played about 4 years in the MLB and only hit about 10 HR in his entire pro career.
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'13 hitting
.313 batting avg
10.89 hits / game
7.43 runs / game
.403 OB %
That being said, can you imagine this year's team using the old bats from 1997?
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'13 pitching
2.54 ERA
8.08 K / game
2.57 BB / game
.218 Opp batting avg
These are the stats that will bring us a championship. If you can keep the ERA below 2.75 and OPP BA down to .200, you can't be stopped. Our BB-K ratio is sweet too.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:51 am to dreaux
Speaking of inflated bats...
The Arkansas announcers had some good analogies on the matter.
My favorite was comparing the new bats to the 3 point line in basketball. I forget the actual quote but one of the announcers said imagine them moving the 3 point line back about 10 more feet. That was the difference in the new bats and the old ones. The move was too extreme.
The Arkansas announcers had some good analogies on the matter.
My favorite was comparing the new bats to the 3 point line in basketball. I forget the actual quote but one of the announcers said imagine them moving the 3 point line back about 10 more feet. That was the difference in the new bats and the old ones. The move was too extreme.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:56 am to tadelatt
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My favorite was comparing the new bats to the 3 point line in basketball
I agreed with that too. Those clowns at least got that right.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 11:04 am to SouthOfSouth
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'13 stats are better.
quote:lol how on earth can you say that.
'97 hitting
.315 batting avg
11.30 hits / game
9.61 runs / game
.412 OB%
'13 hitting
.313 batting avg
10.89 hits / game
7.43 runs / game
.403 OB %
Posted on 4/15/13 at 11:10 am to TheCaterpillar
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98 teams. Those teams were just as good as the 1997 team but didn't win it all.
why you gotta bring that shite up bro?
Damn we should've taken it that year.
If the wind does not start blowing in we add another ring.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 11:18 am to CarRamrod
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lol how on earth can you say that.
Inflated bats to almost wooden bats. That's why 2013 stats are more impressive and I think that's what he was trying to say
Posted on 4/15/13 at 11:18 am to Cincinnati Bowtie
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The League, overall might have been better that year. We also had one game in which we gave up 28 runs, but, regardless, check the slugging pct. I bet that clearly defines the difference in the bats.
the league was absolutely better in 1997. The SEC West sent 4 teams to Omaha.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 11:24 am to tadelatt
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Inflated bats to almost wooden bats. That's why 2013 stats are more impressive and I think that's what he was trying to say
GTFO you are comparing stats....not bats. Everyone used those bats at the time. you cant take that away from the stats. 
Posted on 4/15/13 at 11:42 am to tadelatt
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Perfect example of the old bats inflating the numbers - Brandon Larson. Dude is an LSU legend. Played about 4 years in the MLB and only hit about 10 HR in his entire pro career.
In no way saying he would have put up Joey Belle #'s in MLB, but every time Larson made it up he would suffer a freak injury early in the season and be done. That guy was snake bitten.
The strike outs per game for the 1997 team is impressive given what they were going against. Ainsworth would still be considered one of the better starters to come out of LSU and Coogan was damn good, put up 144 strikeouts in 125 innings.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 12:24 pm to ScottieP
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but its nearly impossible to compare these 2 teams
Absolutely agree, but posted this after the UK series and someone requested I make a weekly update to see how this team fairs to the '97 team. My opinion is simply that this year's team is very special. Considering offensive production has dropped so much since the bat changes, the fact that this year's team is even close to putting up '97-like numbers is incredible.
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 4/15/13 at 12:29 pm to CarRamrod
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GTFO you are comparing stats....not bats. Everyone used those bats at the time. you cant take that away from the stats.
Do you realize how dumb this logic is?
We aren't comparing 97 to other 97 teams. It was 97 v. 13 and college pitching is pretty much the same. The bats sure as shite inflated 97 stats for hitting and worsened them for pitching.
Seriously, in 97 they could barely make contact with the ball and it would go yard. Our stats this year would be very comparable and probably better as a team with those old clown bats.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 12:30 pm to tadelatt
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comparing the new bats to the 3 point line in basketball. I forget the actual quote but one of the announcers said imagine them moving the 3 point line back about 10 more feet.
I love this analogy. Right now in basketball, you are either a 3-point shooter or dunker. If you did this to the 3-point line, players would begin developing better mid-range jumpers. It would change the game much like these new bats have. With these new bats, players have to be more well-rounded (good at small-ball, swinging for the gaps instead of the fences, better baserunners, etc).
Posted on 4/15/13 at 12:33 pm to sportsfan
Factor in the new bats and that's pretty comparable.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 12:35 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:no i just realized fools on here will say anything to help out LSU. last year and prior years, we werent hitting the ball well due to dumb downed bats, now that we have a great hitting team, every other great hitting teams were using "clown bats".
Do you realize how dumb this logic is?
We aren't comparing 97 to other 97 teams. It was 97 v. 13 and college pitching is pretty much the same. The bats sure as shite inflated 97 stats for hitting and worsened them for pitching.
Seriously, in 97 they could barely make contact with the ball and it would go yard. Our stats this year would be very comparable and probably better as a team with those old clown bats.
most of you people dont know baseball as much as yall think yall do. (Not really saying this about you, i dont recall anything you have posted besides in this thread)
Posted on 4/15/13 at 12:45 pm to sportsfan
Just for fun, let's compare position by position. This is just my opinion and I am far from an expert on the subject but here goes:
C - Earnhart/Horton vs Ross
Both 97 catchers were servicable, hit in the mid-low 200's, and were pretty good defensively. Ross is a much better hitter than his average shows at this point and is one of the best defensive catchers in the country right now.
1B - Furniss vs Katz
It's hard to match the career that Furniss had at LSU and in most comparisons, he would beat Katz by a large margin. However, the numbers Katz is putting up this year are ridiculous and definitely narrows the gap between the two.
2B - McClure vs Jones
McClure was solid offensively (.278 avg 12 HR) and was a multiyear starter similar to JaJ. We all know the story with Jones (yet to live up to the hype offensively). Jones' defense is far and away better than McClure.
3B - Barbier vs Ibarra
Barbier had an outstanding year in 97 (.353 avg 15 HR) and was a veteran leader on that team. Ibarra is exceeding expectations with his bat this season, and although he has made a few errors at 3B, he has also made some great plays.
SS - Larson vs Bregman
Laron had arguably one of the best seasons in college baseball history in '97. Bregman is having one of the best freshmen seasons in college baseball history. Long term, Bregman probably ends up having a better career, but hard to top the production put up by Larson in 97.
C - Earnhart/Horton vs Ross
Both 97 catchers were servicable, hit in the mid-low 200's, and were pretty good defensively. Ross is a much better hitter than his average shows at this point and is one of the best defensive catchers in the country right now.
1B - Furniss vs Katz
It's hard to match the career that Furniss had at LSU and in most comparisons, he would beat Katz by a large margin. However, the numbers Katz is putting up this year are ridiculous and definitely narrows the gap between the two.
2B - McClure vs Jones
McClure was solid offensively (.278 avg 12 HR) and was a multiyear starter similar to JaJ. We all know the story with Jones (yet to live up to the hype offensively). Jones' defense is far and away better than McClure.
3B - Barbier vs Ibarra
Barbier had an outstanding year in 97 (.353 avg 15 HR) and was a veteran leader on that team. Ibarra is exceeding expectations with his bat this season, and although he has made a few errors at 3B, he has also made some great plays.
SS - Larson vs Bregman
Laron had arguably one of the best seasons in college baseball history in '97. Bregman is having one of the best freshmen seasons in college baseball history. Long term, Bregman probably ends up having a better career, but hard to top the production put up by Larson in 97.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 12:51 pm to sportsfan
Outfield
LF - Davis vs Rhymes
Davis' numbers were pretty average on the '97 team (.278 avg 16 HR). Rhymes is having a down year by his standards, but is still in the mid 300s and is as consistant as they come.
CF - Koerner vs Laird
Koerner is one of my favorite former players; had a monster year in 97 offensively (.352 avg 22 HR) and was a solid defensive player. Laird's numbers are solid, but still a lot of holes in his game (bunting, base running, arm strength). His range in the OF is hard for anyone to match.
RF - Bernhart vs McMullen
Bernhart is kind of forgotten on the 97 team but he had great numbers (.322 avg 17 HR). McMullen's body of work is not big, but he has come on to be a solid leadoff hitter and has had some clutch at bats thus far.
DH - Higgins vs Committee
Higgins was a good leadoff batter and his numbers are much better than anyone you want to throw in from this year's team at DH.
LF - Davis vs Rhymes
Davis' numbers were pretty average on the '97 team (.278 avg 16 HR). Rhymes is having a down year by his standards, but is still in the mid 300s and is as consistant as they come.
CF - Koerner vs Laird
Koerner is one of my favorite former players; had a monster year in 97 offensively (.352 avg 22 HR) and was a solid defensive player. Laird's numbers are solid, but still a lot of holes in his game (bunting, base running, arm strength). His range in the OF is hard for anyone to match.
RF - Bernhart vs McMullen
Bernhart is kind of forgotten on the 97 team but he had great numbers (.322 avg 17 HR). McMullen's body of work is not big, but he has come on to be a solid leadoff hitter and has had some clutch at bats thus far.
DH - Higgins vs Committee
Higgins was a good leadoff batter and his numbers are much better than anyone you want to throw in from this year's team at DH.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 12:55 pm to sportsfan
Larson was so nasty.
Pretty sure he ate steroids for breakfast, lunch, and dinner though
Pretty sure he ate steroids for breakfast, lunch, and dinner though
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