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re: 9 months later...how ridiculous was the BCS NC selection?
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:04 am to Baloo
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:04 am to Baloo
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This. Thank you. I've been saying for years that the media wanted this system, and then, when it didn't give them the result they wanted (esp in '03), they cried and howled that the human bia they sought to remove from the system be put back in.
Totally agree. The AP splitting the title and pulling out of the BCS after 03 was the moment that the downfall of the BCS became an inevitability. It was only a matter of time until the media got what they wanted.
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It is the ultimate in making the regular season meaningless, the precise opposite of what BCS advocates argue.
I just don't see how anyone can argue that the regular season and conference championships should be kept sacred, which I agree with, and yet be in favor of a playoff or selection committee, which you appear to be in favor of.
There will be a non-conference winner in the playoff every single year I'd bet, while the BCS only had a non-conference winner in the championship game 3 times in 14 years.
I agree that regular season is the most important and wonderful part of college football.
That's why I think that the original BCS poll, designed to weigh a team's regular season without bias, was a good system.
The selection committee will forever diminish the regular season and what actually happens ON THE FIELD, which ESPN and the media kept claiming was the reason for the playoff, when clearly it was all about MONEY and the TV RIGHTS to BROADCAST the playoff games. That is what they care about.
Now, the committee will focus on traditional powerhouses and RATINGS.
Plain and simple.
And it's only a matter of time until the media pushing this from 4 to 6 or 8 teams, even further devaluing the regular season.
Once again, it is inevitable.
This post was edited on 10/18/12 at 11:11 am
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Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:04 am to LNCHBOX
Haha read the OP, then posted.
Every team OSU beat finished the season with 3 or more loses. We went undefeated. Bama gained pts from all of our wins and OSU lost pts from the teams that they beat losing to lesser opponents.
Yes, it does undo the entire season when you lose to an unranked opponent, during the final week of regular season. Bama only lost to us, and we were #1 and stayed #1 the entire season. #1 beats #2, #2 losses points, but not nearly as many points if #2 losses to an unranked opponent.
With that logic, we should be the defending national champions then. I mean not only did we beat Bama, but we beat more ranked teams than Bama, and we won the SEC so we accomplished more than Bama.
Every team OSU beat finished the season with 3 or more loses. We went undefeated. Bama gained pts from all of our wins and OSU lost pts from the teams that they beat losing to lesser opponents.
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So one game undoes a season that included more wins over ranked opponents?
Yes, it does undo the entire season when you lose to an unranked opponent, during the final week of regular season. Bama only lost to us, and we were #1 and stayed #1 the entire season. #1 beats #2, #2 losses points, but not nearly as many points if #2 losses to an unranked opponent.
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So one game undoes a season that included more wins over ranked opponents?
Sorry, but that is just wrong. It should be about what you accomplished the entire season, and OSU accomplished more.
With that logic, we should be the defending national champions then. I mean not only did we beat Bama, but we beat more ranked teams than Bama, and we won the SEC so we accomplished more than Bama.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:04 am to Captain Want
And I hate the perception that bama was obviously better than LSU last year. They both had 1 loss and it was to each other and LSU had an extra game to play jn the SECCG. The truth is these teams were about as evenly matched as they come and who knows who would win a tie-breaking 3rd game.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:04 am to bluestem75
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This. Thank you. I've been saying for years that the media wanted this system, and then, when it didn't give them the result they wanted (esp in '03), they cried and howled that the human bia they sought to remove from the system be put back in.
Yep, and it accomplished exactly what they wanted - they got to hand pick who they wanted in the NC despite Okie being favored by the more objective computers.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:04 am to Eternalmajin
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But you throw Bama in, and if LSU wins: well they didn't play OSU! This system is a sham! If Bama wins: well LSU already beat them, and OSU didn't get a shot. This system is a sham! We need a playoff NOW!
This is true. Even if LSU had won on 1/9, Bama's participation would have tainted the title because they didn't beat the next best conf champ. LSU already beat Alabama. What would 1/9 have proven? Nothing.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:05 am to motorbreath
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The truth is these teams were about as evenly matched as they come and who knows who would win a tie-breaking 3rd game.
I agree with this.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:06 am to Eternalmajin
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It's clear what the agenda was when the very next day when the playoff system started to be pushed through. If OSU gets into the game, no matter the result of the game, the "system worked". LSU may have had one of the best seasons ever, beating the top 4 teams. No questions would have remained because of this. If OSU wins, hey, they got their shot and showed that they belonged and weren't just racking up stats on crappy teams.
But you throw Bama in, and if LSU wins: well they didn't play OSU! This system is a sham! If Bama wins: well LSU already beat them, and OSU didn't get a shot. This system is a sham! We need a playoff NOW!
It's the reason why one fricking minute after Bama was announced as #2, ESPN completely shifted from the Bama blowing to "OSU got hosed, look at this record vs top teams" and the talk of the tragedy leading to the loss at Iowa State. They said nothing about these things the two weeks leading up to the selection, but as soon as it ended, suddenly they were on OSU's side.
It was all for the playoff, and we were the sacrificial lamb for it. Still should have taken care of business, but the result does not justify the decisions made to get to that game.
POTMFY
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:06 am to motorbreath
I've always said the SECCG was more relevant than the MNC because its earned and won on the field. It doesn't involve any politics and human voting like the MNC.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:07 am to KG5989
Not only do you keep getting facts wrong, you make my argument for me. You're right, we should be the champion of last year. We were more accomplished than every team last year.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:10 am to Brettesaurus Rex
The BCS was originally created to attempt to match the two best teams. It has not always gotten it right and is not a perfect system by any stretch but it has at least given the opportunity for the best two teams to meet. For instance, in 2003 using the Pre BCS conference tie-ins, OU plays in the Orange, USC plays in the Rose and LSU plays in the Sugar. We could very well have been shut out of playing for Number 1 because USC was #1 after the regular season and got to shellac a crappy Big 10 team in the Rose Bowl.
Edit: we may have still played OU in the Sugar because KSU would have gone to the Orange as the Big 12 champ.
Edit: we may have still played OU in the Sugar because KSU would have gone to the Orange as the Big 12 champ.
This post was edited on 10/18/12 at 11:12 am
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:10 am to Tiger Voodoo
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I just don't see how anyone can argue that the regular season and conference championships should be kept sacred, which I agree with, and yet be in favor of a playoff or selection committee, which you appear to be in favor of.
An SEC championship is pretty "sacred" IMO. Guess we just disagree on the meaning of "sacred."
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:10 am to Ghostfacedistiller
Prepare your asses, if LSU wins out, Bama WILL get another mulligan in Miami...
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:12 am to Brettesaurus Rex
To the OP-
No LSU fan can move on from the jobbing we got in the selection. I think of the BCS selection this way.
1. Look at who the Media Pollsters are.
2. Now look at how many of them said that UA would beat LSU in BDS.
3. Look at how many of them said that UA should have won that game, and their justifications of why they are the best.
4. ?????
5. Biased data entered into the BCS equation.
LSU football yes did get jobbed in the selection. LSU football jobbed all us fans with their performance.
No LSU fan can move on from the jobbing we got in the selection. I think of the BCS selection this way.
1. Look at who the Media Pollsters are.
2. Now look at how many of them said that UA would beat LSU in BDS.
3. Look at how many of them said that UA should have won that game, and their justifications of why they are the best.
4. ?????
5. Biased data entered into the BCS equation.
LSU football yes did get jobbed in the selection. LSU football jobbed all us fans with their performance.
This post was edited on 10/18/12 at 11:12 am
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:13 am to Tiger Voodoo
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False.
OSU lost to ISU on 11/19, two weeks after Bama lost, but then went on to beat top 10 OU by 5 TDs while Bama sat at home and LSU played in the SECCG.
Haha yea they def lost to Iowa St during the last game of the regular season, just like I said. OSU had a bye the next week. If OSU beats Iowa St, it doesnt matter if they win or lose to Oklahoma. The Iowa St game decided their fate. And Oklahoma was still a 2 loss team before the conference championship, losing to unranked Texas Tech at home and #22 Baylor. They get points for beating them, but they dont get as much because they lost to Tx Tech and Baylor. Bama got in because their only loss was to #1LSU and not a 9-4 Iowa St. Thats how.
Edit: Iowa St was 6-7 last year, not 9-4. Sorry, thought they were a little better than that.
Every team OSU beat had 3 losses. They lose points because the teams they beat lost to lesser opponents.
This post was edited on 10/18/12 at 11:24 am
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:13 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Did Bama REALLY deserve to be there hands down over anyone else? By what measure? I think not.
Define "deserve." They were obviously the best team out there not named LSU.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:13 am to RogerTheShrubber
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An SEC championship is pretty "sacred" IMO. Guess we just disagree on the meaning of "sacred."
I think we agree on that.
Is a Big 12 title "sacred" as well? Cause I think it is. I think it's more impressive than a very good team that happened to lose at home to the #1 team in the country and lose out on a chance to play for that "sacred" SEC title.
That's why I think OSU should have gotten in over Bama.
Why do you think Bama was the right pick?
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:14 am to JaxTigah
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The BCS was originally created to attempt to match the two best teams.
The BCS was designed to match #1 and #2, and they are not necessarily the two "best" teams. That's a common misconception.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:15 am to LNCHBOX
No media agenda? Who remembers Tracy Wolfson's question to Miles regarding a rematch? "I would be honored to face that team again." It started as soon as the BDS clock hit 0.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:16 am to TheDoc
OSU's loss was horrible but their overall schedule etc was better than Bama. Bama was obviously a better team though. LSU would have trucked OSU by 2+ touchdowns.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:18 am to KG5989
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they def lost to Iowa St during the last game of the regular season, just like I said. If OSU beats Iowa St, it doesnt matter if they win or lose to Oklahoma. The Iowa St game decided their fate.
Dude you are so clueless I don't even know what to say.
First of all, there was no Big 12 Championship Game. The OU/OSU game was a REGULAR SEASON GAME. ISU was not the last game of the regular season for OSU.
And to say that if OSU beat ISU, it wouldn't have mattered if they lost to OU is one of the most asinine things I've ever read. Seriously.
The OU win was the feather in OSU's hat. Everything on the line, and they crushed it.
I just don't understand how you can be so wrong and think you're right.
It's astounding really.
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