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re: 9 months later...how ridiculous was the BCS NC selection?
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:33 am to LNCHBOX
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:33 am to LNCHBOX
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Alabama showed it's credentials by beating us.
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I'm sure they knew we would lose 21-0 when they made the selection. Dumb logic.
Exactly. All Bama has/had to justify them being in the NC is they had the new-for-last-year "better loss", and the circular reasoning of "we won so we deserved to be there." bullshite, bullshite, bullshite.
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Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:34 am to LNCHBOX
Ok here are the wins for both teams during the regular season. OSU beat #8 TAMU, #21 UT, and #19 K St. They beat Baylor when they were unranked. Bama beat #23 Penn St, #14 Arky, #12 UF, and their only loss came to #1 LSU and Bama was ranked #2. Arky finished the season at #5. That win alone is a better W than OSU had all last season. OSU best win came against unranked Baylor at the time, who finished the season #13 with a 10-3 record. Arky went 11-2 with losses only to #1 LSU and #2 Bama. If you want to complain about something, complain about the teams OSU beat and their records. If Baylor doesnt lose 3 games, or if Oklahoma doesnt have multiple losses, they might of gotten in the NC. They beat good teams, but then those teams lost to a lesser opponent sometime during the season.
Haha Gump? Thats funny. Not a Gump, just a realist and not someone who is complaining about something that happened 9 months ago. Bottom line is that Bama got in the NC, and whipped our arse.
Haha Gump? Thats funny. Not a Gump, just a realist and not someone who is complaining about something that happened 9 months ago. Bottom line is that Bama got in the NC, and whipped our arse.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:35 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Nope. Florida actually won the NC in 96 by beating FSU, who beat UF in the regular season.
UF and FSU were not in the same conference, and as you said, ASU was prohibited from playing either.
The 96 example would be relevant if LSU had played Oregon.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:35 am to KG5989
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Ok here are the wins for both teams during the regular season. OSU beat #8 TAMU, #21 UT, and #19 K St. They beat Baylor when they were unranked. Bama beat #23 Penn St, #14 Arky, #12 UF, and their only loss came to #1 LSU and Bama was ranked #2. Arky finished the season at #5. That win alone is a better W than OSU had all last season. OSU best win came against unranked Baylor at the time, who finished the season #13 with a 10-3 record. Arky went 11-2 with losses only to #1 LSU and #2 Bama. If you want to complain about something, complain about the teams OSU beat and their records. If Baylor doesnt lose 3 games, or if Oklahoma doesnt have multiple losses, they might of gotten in the NC. They beat good teams, but then those teams lost to a lesser opponent sometime during the season.
All of this wall of text was summed up in the graphic posted on the first page of this thread. OSU had a better resume except for the mythical "best loss."
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:36 am to Baloo
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Baloo
9 months later...how ridiculous was the
BCS NC selection?
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What I will FOREVER find monumentally galling, unconscionable, and mind-boggling is three things
You left off the most mind-boggling: Alabama
is the first football national champion
since before World War II to fail to win
its conference.
+1,000,000
Unbelievable. I'd like to throw the coaches
and 'human poll voters' who votee OSU 5th or
6th off Mount Everest into the 6th ring of
Hades.
I CANNOT WAIT until Nov. 3
Now I just have to find tickets
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:39 am to TheDoc
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No. They were the next best team behind us period and it wasn't even close! They deserved the shot and took advantage of the opportunity
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BOOM!
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:This is a subjective assessment based on post mortem (the game was already played and Bama whipped our arse). Hindsight does not give you credibility here, you have to post pre NCG mindset. Did Bama REALLY deserve to be there hands down over anyone else? By what measure? I think not.
No, because Bama was a better football team and more deserving than Okie Light.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:46 am to Ghostfacedistiller
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The 96 example would be relevant if LSU had played Oregon.
I'm not arguing with your main point, but I posted about UF/FSU in 96 in response to this:
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I need to confirm but I think the last time two teams from the same conference played in a bowl game, who also played in the regular season was the 1959 Sugar Bowl.
I missed the part about the two teams being from the same conference. My bad.
But I'm pointing that out to show that the BCS would NOT have let that game happen if it was in place in 96, just like it shouldn't have let LSU/Bama rematch happen.
I'm agreeing with you, just missed the part about same conference.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:48 am to Me Bite
What I still cannot believe is the way ESPN pushed their agenda, or for that matter, why it was their agenda. Couldn't believe what I was seeing on the tube. But there is no doubt in my mind that they decided BAMA was going to be in that game. No debate concerning Okie state or any other team. Herbie was selling BAMA like his job depended on it. I lost all respect for ESPN then. I also realized the power they wield. Kinda scary really.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:49 am to LNCHBOX
Ok didnt read every single page. You keep on saying its about the wins and who you beat. Thats true, but a L to an unranked opponent during the final week of the regular season weighs more than a W. Bama lost to LSU, but destroyed everyone else. OSU destroyed everyone , but lost to the Iowa St Cyclones during the last regular season game where a W puts them in the NCG, regardless of a conference championship outcome. They knew it, they had their shot, they failed. I mean Iowa St?
What it comes down to is when you lose. Bama lost earlier in the season and had the time to make up some of the points they lost. You lose to Iowa St in the last regular season game, you lose more points than a loss to LSU and you have less time to make up those points.
All it shows is that the system is flawed, but they had the correct 2 teams in the game.
What it comes down to is when you lose. Bama lost earlier in the season and had the time to make up some of the points they lost. You lose to Iowa St in the last regular season game, you lose more points than a loss to LSU and you have less time to make up those points.
All it shows is that the system is flawed, but they had the correct 2 teams in the game.
This post was edited on 10/18/12 at 10:51 am
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:51 am to KG5989
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Ok didnt read every single page.
So you didn't read page 1?
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You keep on saying its about the wins and who you beat
It should be, but obviously isn't if your name is Bama or Saban.
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but lost to the Iowa St Cyclones
So one game undoes a season that included more wins over ranked opponents?
Sorry, but that is just wrong. It should be about what you accomplished the entire season, and OSU accomplished more.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:51 am to Baloo
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You left off the most mind-boggling: Alabama is the first football national champion since before World War II to fail to win its conference. I think people fail to recognize how incredibly radical Bama's title was. It was a seismic shift (and the BCS was eventually going to get this result, as it kept putting non-conference winners in the title game). It is the completion of a 20 year campaign to devalue conference titles.
I completely agree, except for the highlighted part.
I can only remember 3 times in 14 years, Nebraska in 01, OU in 03, and Bama in 2011, that happened.
Am I missing any?
Last year was a fraud that would not have happened had the BCS formula continued to be watered down due to ESPN's bashing in order to regain control.
03 was a bit of a fluke given that OU knew it was guaranteed to be in the game even if they lost the CCG, which I think impacted that game dramatically.
01 was BS for sure. Not even sure how that happened to this day.
The BCS was originally designed to limit the impact of the polls, but continued to be watered down due to the sports media screaming every year the formula didn't agree with them.
That said, the top 4 every year would be difficult to argue with, even with the watered down formula.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:58 am to Tiger Voodoo
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The BCS was originally designed to limit the impact of the polls, but continued to be watered down due to the sports media screaming every year the formula didn't agree with them.
This. Thank you. I've been saying for years that the media wanted this system, and then, when it didn't give them the result they wanted (esp in '03), they cried and howled that the human bia they sought to remove from the system be put back in.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:58 am to Tiger Voodoo
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I can only remember 3 times in 14 years, Nebraska in 01, OU in 03, and Bama in 2011, that happened.
Am I missing any?
No. But if something happens once every five years, it's only a matter of time before that team finally wins. Non-conference champs getting national title was not a bug, it was a feature.
It is the ultimate in making the regular season meaningless, the precise opposite of what BCS advocates argue.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:58 am to Tiger Voodoo
The Tigers still have a chance at redemption for that lose.The crowd has to help them Nov 3rd!! Geaux to the game and show them whats up!
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:58 am to KG5989
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but lost to the Iowa St Cyclones during the last regular season game where a W puts them in the NCG
False.
OSU lost to ISU on 11/19, two weeks after Bama lost, but then went on to beat top 10 OU by 5 TDs while Bama sat at home and LSU played in the SECCG.
The OU game was the game that decided OSU's NC hopes, and they crushed their in state rival.
So how does Bama get in??
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:59 am to OceanMan
Having to play bama again and losing is one thing. I'm over that. But the fact that ESPN fundamentally compromised its journalistic integrity by actively campaigning for Alabama still sticks with me much more than the game itself. And if LSU loses the first game there is a 0% chance LSU gets in the BCSNCG. Bottom line is it doesn't matter what happens on the field, ESPN will influence enough people to get the teams they want in the final game.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:59 am to bastropbham
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What I still cannot believe is the way ESPN pushed their agenda, or for that matter, why it was their agenda
It's clear what the agenda was when the very next day when the playoff system started to be pushed through. If OSU gets into the game, no matter the result of the game, the "system worked". LSU may have had one of the best seasons ever, beating the top 4 teams. No questions would have remained because of this. If OSU wins, hey, they got their shot and showed that they belonged and weren't just racking up stats on crappy teams.
But you throw Bama in, and if LSU wins: well they didn't play OSU! This system is a sham! If Bama wins: well LSU already beat them, and OSU didn't get a shot. This system is a sham! We need a playoff NOW!
It's the reason why one fricking minute after Bama was announced as #2, ESPN completely shifted from the Bama blowing to "OSU got hosed, look at this record vs top teams" and the talk of the tragedy leading to the loss at Iowa State. They said nothing about these things the two weeks leading up to the selection, but as soon as it ended, suddenly they were on OSU's side.
It was all for the playoff, and we were the sacrificial lamb for it. Still should have taken care of business, but the result does not justify the decisions made to get to that game.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:00 am to motorbreath
I'm glad the ratings sucked
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:01 am to TigerBlieux
We won't get revenge on Nov 3. I don't think they'll be handing out a championship that night.
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