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re: 3rd Down Confusion Aside, how bad was the 2nd down call?
Posted on 10/5/10 at 4:58 pm to Chicken
Posted on 10/5/10 at 4:58 pm to Chicken
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disagree...running on 2nd down is acceptable if you plan to throw on third down into the endzone if you don't score on 2nd down...they were on the two yard line...running is perfectly acceptable...
But there in lies the problem. You have a personnel group for running and then you try to make the subs and it's total chaos. You certainly can't run the ball on successive plays.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 4:59 pm to pdxlsufan
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DING DING DING!
We have a winner!
Our coaches set JJ and the entire offense up to fail by not having a quick pass play ready to run on 3rd & Goal. Instead, the coaches bet the farm that JJ would score on 2nd & Goal and that the nation wouldn't find out just how unprepared the coaches were for 3rd & Goal.
DING DING DING
We have a second winner
Posted on 10/5/10 at 5:01 pm to Geaux Tahel
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Funny, I thought we were talking about LSU, not every week in the NFL
My point is that if it works in the NFL it can work in college. Unless you think college defenses are better than NFL defenses.
JJ isn't Vince Young.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 5:05 pm to Powerman
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It's second down and the clock isn't running and you have 32 seconds left.
You throw the ball. No running play is acceptable in that situation.
quote:First, they didn't have to have that personnel group in to run the ball. LSU has a lot of formations from which they can run and pass the ball.
But there in lies the problem. You have a personnel group for running and then you try to make the subs and it's total chaos. You certainly can't run the ball on successive plays.
Second, even with the formation they had, they can throw the ball. It was the same formation they used on the first down pass play.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 5:09 pm to Kim Jong Ir
My 12 year old niece was at her fisrt LSU game and when JJ ran on the field she turn and said JJ's coming in, LSU will run the ball right?
Posted on 10/5/10 at 5:14 pm to skullhawk
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I think Miles wanted his pet to be the hero at the end of the game. The play call was horrible. It wasn't even an option. It was a QB run all the way
JJ had half the field open for a TD, he just chose to run into the arms of the defenders.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 5:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Well-I would love to have seen the massive turd the Tenn defense would have laid if PP would have been put in the Wildcat with Ridley!!!!
Posted on 10/5/10 at 5:17 pm to UncleBoo
After all of the mayhem, the last call, a toss sweep which put Jefferson pitching the ball 3-4yards deep, was probably not the wisest play either, but somehow it worked out.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 5:20 pm to Xenophon
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but the very worst thing that could have happened to this offense was JJ breaking that long run for a TD.. that was the option play that we all want to go away.. thats what he came in to run.. everybody knew it.. and just like it does 9 times out of 10, it didnt get shite.. but now, since JJ got by one guy on a terrible attempt at a tackle, we will have to suffer that play as long as GC is here..
First of all, without the long TD run that JJ had, we ain't even in the game on that final drive. So that would have been worse for the team.
Second, it was a fake handoff to Shepard on that 1st play . It wasn't the option where he has a choice to pitch it that we all don't like because they usually have miserable execution of it. And he made a nice juke move on the defender, wasn't slowed down and took it to the house.
Third, the play toward the end was more of a QB sweep. He wasn't pitching that ball at all. And it did get us a yard closer to making it in and we needed every inch in the end.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 5:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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JJ had half the field open for a TD, he just chose to run into the arms of the defenders.
That looked nice and everything, but they likely would have have chased him down. It's always surprising how fast defenders get there when they believe you're going outside.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 5:24 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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Third, the play toward the end was more of a QB sweep. He wasn't pitching that ball at all. And it did get us a yard closer to making it in and we needed every inch in the end.
He could have jogged into the end zone on that final run.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 5:24 pm to Big EZ Tiger
some of these post are so stupid it makes me want to post something just as stupid..... like why didnt we fumble into the endzone and recover it for the touchdown?
Posted on 10/5/10 at 5:32 pm to LSU Fan 90812
agreed. if you're going to run in that situation, you had better get it to the outside so the runner has the option of getting out of bounds to stop the clock.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 5:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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He could have jogged into the end zone on that final run.
Well, I guess that's your opinion...
#43 for Tennessee was basically playing for the outside and Peterson was blocking him for us but he hadn't driven him back. If JJ keeps going to the outside, I do believe #43 would have got him because he was driving Peterson back pretty easy and even got a hand on JJ after he decided to go inside.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 5:33 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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He could have jogged into the end zone on that final run.
Well, I guess that's your opinion...
It's fact. He has the whole right side of the field open. He turned toward the LOS and straight into the defenders.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 5:49 pm to Powerman
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It's second down and the clock isn't running and you have 32 seconds left.
You throw the ball. No running play is acceptable in that situation.
You call the plays that are most likely going to get you in the end zone without a disaster. For LSU, they were relatively sure they'd get two plays to get the two yards. They might have been able to get a third play, but that wasn't for sure.
The first down pass looked like it should have been intentional grounding. Maybe I'm forgetting something about the rule, but it's fine to throw it 20 yards out of bounds and out of the end zone if your outside the pocket, but not when you're in it. If you're in it, you have to have a WR in the area. We had none.
Also, our previous drive ended with a underthrown pick in the end zone. Why would you give your QB another chance to possibly do that again (either QB) when you have a RB that was over 120+ yards on the day lining up against a tired D from two yards out??? A guy that had been driving them back all day...
If you can't get two yards on two plays at home against a weaker opponent, you don't deserve to win anyway. Ridley has been the offense - you put it in his hands in that situation because he's clearly your best chance at success. Of course, they went with JJ on 2nd, but he had run really well against them in his few carries. So that wasn't a terrible choice either. Just not real sure why they those to go shotgun and run that particular play when it brings the possibility of getting tackled 2-3 yards behind the line.
Passing from the two is hard and there are many more guys sitting there waiting to pick a pass in such limited space. Eventually, Ridley got it in and that's what should have happened.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 5:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
the play call would not have been an issue if we had a 2nd play called when he entered the game. i really had no issue with the call, but i think a more effective play would have been a fake handoff to ridley and then sprint outside. we could have run 2 or three dive plays with ridley in that time as well. each play would take about 3 seconds to run and 8 to setup and snap b/c nobody would really have to travel that far. clocking it would have left too much time on the clock at 26 seconds.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 5:52 pm to easy money
The run by JJ wasn't a bad call, it was just poorly executed.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 5:55 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It's fact. He has the whole right side of the field open. He turned toward the LOS and straight into the defenders.
And I'll say again that #43 was not being blocked toward the inside (and had pushed Peterson back beyond the five-yard line), so he was probably gonna get any outside action. I believe the run was designed for the inside if you look at the blocking on the play.
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