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re: 2018 Lsu vs Sec softball senior losses, per team vs LSU
Posted on 6/7/17 at 10:22 am to Jennlsu
Posted on 6/7/17 at 10:22 am to Jennlsu
I have never cared much for women's softball. A couple of years ago, because I follow all LSU stuff, I got to watching them and fell in love with these kids. Always seemingly pleasant, always hustling, and when Beth came along I did not know what to expect as I'd never heard of her and the clowns from Alabama left us at the alter.
So, that intrigued me even more to keep up. Now I catch myself looking at their TV schedule to be sure I get to watch them every chance I get.
Now that we are a household name in college softball; now that we compete year in and year out, it's obvious that some posters have their own personal agenda like every parent in T-ball or Little League has.
That said, we've come from the cellar to the elite and have made the WCWS a lot of late and someone wants to come here and rain on our parade.
Beth Torina has done a marvelous job. These young girls have as well.
Apparently all are good students, hard working players, and nice young ladies as well.
Why someone wants to downgrade these kids' efforts behooves me.
So, that intrigued me even more to keep up. Now I catch myself looking at their TV schedule to be sure I get to watch them every chance I get.
Now that we are a household name in college softball; now that we compete year in and year out, it's obvious that some posters have their own personal agenda like every parent in T-ball or Little League has.
That said, we've come from the cellar to the elite and have made the WCWS a lot of late and someone wants to come here and rain on our parade.
Beth Torina has done a marvelous job. These young girls have as well.
Apparently all are good students, hard working players, and nice young ladies as well.
Why someone wants to downgrade these kids' efforts behooves me.
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Posted on 6/7/17 at 10:26 am to Keyboard Warrior
I'm obviously not in the team meetings, etc., but from what I see at games, on TV, social media, etc, I cannot see Carley being a problem. Why any coach asking other players opinions kicking a player off is beyond me. It doesn't make sense at all. And Carley of all people? I don't know about that
Posted on 6/7/17 at 10:44 am to Jennlsu
I think it's garbage talk. If I had to guess, Beth is not a two-faced person who would dangle the career of a player in front of the others to satisfy the others.
When we lose, we have to blame someone.
When we win it's all good.
That said, I think whoever is posting all this garbage about dissension is the one who has the problem.
"If Mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy". Misery loves company.
When we lose, we have to blame someone.
When we win it's all good.
That said, I think whoever is posting all this garbage about dissension is the one who has the problem.
"If Mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy". Misery loves company.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 10:49 am to FreeState
Every year people transfer for different reasons. Some people are happy and some are not. The ones who are not happy will complain and bash The coaches the most. The coach has to put a product on the field to win and everyone isnt going to be happy. I do believe hitting has to be looked at as many seemed uncomfortable at the plate. Also 2B, 3B and Rf will be up for grabs. I think 1B needs some defensive work as she looked uncomfortable at times too.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 11:21 am to htemplet
People need to understand this crap happens EVERYWHERE. Talented kids come in and many don't get their way, they dont play as much as they expected, so they transfer. It happens to all major programs, it's just part of the game.
I'm sure players get biter about not getting their ways or they think they deserve it more than others. Its just natural, it happens in every sport, on every team. Don't kid yourselves.
I have heard a few things but it needs to be kept within the team. Some of these issues don't involve the coaches at all, the biter ones are just spewing hatred because they didn't get what they want.
For the record, a lot of successful kids come out of HS come to college feeling entitled to certain things before their college careers begin. There's an arrogance that they come in with an it rubs off on everyone and in a bad way.
People just take things the wrong way, this doesn't just happen at lsu but everwhere else. Including OU, Florida, UCLA, etc....
I'm sure players get biter about not getting their ways or they think they deserve it more than others. Its just natural, it happens in every sport, on every team. Don't kid yourselves.
I have heard a few things but it needs to be kept within the team. Some of these issues don't involve the coaches at all, the biter ones are just spewing hatred because they didn't get what they want.
For the record, a lot of successful kids come out of HS come to college feeling entitled to certain things before their college careers begin. There's an arrogance that they come in with an it rubs off on everyone and in a bad way.
People just take things the wrong way, this doesn't just happen at lsu but everwhere else. Including OU, Florida, UCLA, etc....
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:17 pm to Tigerbait357
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I have heard a few things but it needs to be kept within the team.
BINGO!!! I've been saying this for a long time. Glad to see someone agreeing with me.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:23 pm to 18handicap
Definitely. Leave team drama and gossip with the team. Privy information doesnt need to be thrown out in the public.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 1:07 pm to 18handicap
Correct. The sooner this happens, the faster everyone moves on. It's better for everyone to stop spewing all this negative stuff. It's only hurting this team that so many people love and cheer for.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 1:09 pm to Bhs83
Carly gets disgusted with the horrible umpires. That's when you see her attitude, and any pitcher is going to feel that way. Allie dont show her attitude, but every pitcher out there suffers when an umpire wont call strikes.
These people who call pitches need to understand this. A pitcher gets ahead 0-2, in the count, and the pitching coach tells them waste three pitches. The next pitch, with 3-2 count, the ball is on the inside corner, and the umpire dont call the strike. I saw that in the regionals more than once, and I saw it happen with bases loaded.
Carly has one more year, and believe me, when she and Allie are gone, we are going to feel it.
These people who call pitches need to understand this. A pitcher gets ahead 0-2, in the count, and the pitching coach tells them waste three pitches. The next pitch, with 3-2 count, the ball is on the inside corner, and the umpire dont call the strike. I saw that in the regionals more than once, and I saw it happen with bases loaded.
Carly has one more year, and believe me, when she and Allie are gone, we are going to feel it.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 1:16 pm to Bhs83
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Carly has one more year, and believe me, when she and Allie are gone, we are going to feel it.
We definitely will. We won't have 2 at the same time of THAT caliber for a while.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 1:19 pm to Jennlsu
Based on what? Lol
Posted on 6/7/17 at 1:28 pm to TigerBait2008
Well, I just mean most teams don't have TWO studs at the same time for all 4 years. We lucked out with them the last 3 and now going on 4 years at the same time. We will have good ones to come. I'm sure of that. I just don't know if we will have 2 GREAT pitchers like that in the same class ever again. Most schools don't is all I meant.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 1:48 pm to Bhs83
Bhs what I was trying to say is that maybe you should have waited until the uninformed idiot goes away for a few days or weeks and then come back and restart the thread without Mark to interfere. Also we would have a better view of everyone after all of their transfers are announced. Your information is a result of hard work and definitely don't want to knock it at all, just thinking a better discussion would occur when emotions and thoughts clear up. I appreciate your efforts for sure.
This post was edited on 6/7/17 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 6/7/17 at 1:57 pm to Tigerbait357
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Taking selfies in outfits you like doesn't make you a trashy person
I definitely missed something but I won't ask anyone to repeat it if it was mentioned elsewhere. So 357, I guess we can assume there is something in the workings on bringing in a few transfers who could possibly help the team immediately?
Posted on 6/7/17 at 1:58 pm to Bhs83
I don't post much because of the vitriol shown to a lot of posters on this site but that being said, here goes.
I am in Beth Torino's corner, just as I am in Paul Manieri's. I have one problem, though, in that PM is constantly vetted either on his radio show or by the press but I don't see the same thing in Beth's case.
Ashlyn brought up the fact that our infield has hardly changed this whole season. Statistically I looked them up and I can't understand why we have not tried someone, anyone, in the infield positions.
Look at the post season. LSU's infield hit a combined .202 while Florida hit(an anemic hitting squad) .273. Oklahoma's infield got 15 more hit than us. All of this is over the same 10 game post season period not counting the 2 championship games. Not only this these same infielder committed 10 errors to Florida's 3 over those 10 games.
In the SEC, our best infielder hit .213 and the other three hit in the .180's. Our dp had 2 hits in the SEC.
PM took a lot of heat over his hitting coach and he resigned. He also tries different combinations and has started one catcher over the other even though one was the better defender. We apparently don't hold Beth to the same standard.
I have read most of the softball threads and all I can tell is that everything is speculation, no hard facts. Until we hear from her or there is a report that Howard is retiring to pursue private business, all we will ever know is this pure speculation.
I am in Beth Torino's corner, just as I am in Paul Manieri's. I have one problem, though, in that PM is constantly vetted either on his radio show or by the press but I don't see the same thing in Beth's case.
Ashlyn brought up the fact that our infield has hardly changed this whole season. Statistically I looked them up and I can't understand why we have not tried someone, anyone, in the infield positions.
Look at the post season. LSU's infield hit a combined .202 while Florida hit(an anemic hitting squad) .273. Oklahoma's infield got 15 more hit than us. All of this is over the same 10 game post season period not counting the 2 championship games. Not only this these same infielder committed 10 errors to Florida's 3 over those 10 games.
In the SEC, our best infielder hit .213 and the other three hit in the .180's. Our dp had 2 hits in the SEC.
PM took a lot of heat over his hitting coach and he resigned. He also tries different combinations and has started one catcher over the other even though one was the better defender. We apparently don't hold Beth to the same standard.
I have read most of the softball threads and all I can tell is that everything is speculation, no hard facts. Until we hear from her or there is a report that Howard is retiring to pursue private business, all we will ever know is this pure speculation.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:09 pm to PDT1960
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PM is constantly vetted either on his radio show or by the press but I don't see the same thing in Beth's case.
I think PM's recent struggles in losing the supers and not winning one game in Omaha might be a reason for his vetting. On the other hand you can't criticize Beth for in 6 years she has brought 4 of her teams to Oklahoma City. And in doing so knocked off 2 hot teams at their parks the last 2 years. And if there were any problems on the team, then it was the best coaching job in the country and she should be honored.
This post was edited on 6/7/17 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:11 pm to catnip
I know we are looking the Junior College route for a big pitcher right now.
I know we are looking at a few teams in the PAC 12 for infielders at the moment. I don't know specific names. Obviously there's a lot of speculation about the LSU picking up the OU catcher Dalton, who was rated the #34 player in the class last year. She's a versatile infielder who's a good hitter
I know we are looking at a few teams in the PAC 12 for infielders at the moment. I don't know specific names. Obviously there's a lot of speculation about the LSU picking up the OU catcher Dalton, who was rated the #34 player in the class last year. She's a versatile infielder who's a good hitter
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:15 pm to PDT1960
I agree but the difference is Beth gets her teams to the World Series, she has done it 4 of her 6 years, when we rarely used to go before. It's far more of an accomplishment for us. She at least wins there too. No she hasn't won the big game but we are at least extremely close. Finishing in the top 6 the last 3 years makes us pretty damn elite right now.
PM hasn't been consistent going to Omaha with larger talent gaps compared to some of the teams we lost to in Supers.
PM hasn't been consistent going to Omaha with larger talent gaps compared to some of the teams we lost to in Supers.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:17 pm to Tigerbait357
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She's a versatile infielder who's a good hitter
Thanks for that 357. The ending to the softball season the last 3 years has been fun and sad at the same time. Getting to the big house was fun but of course we know the sad part.
You and the other posters who have info during the off season please share with us whenever y'all get any. Thanks to all.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:25 pm to catnip
For those wondering why Beth hasnt won a national championship, the reason is because there are teams there, each year, that are a clear cut above LSU.
In 2015, LSU had the team to win it all, and they lost, not because of coaching, but because of poor base running, defense, and hitting.
With the exception of 2015, each of the times we went to OKC, Beth took the team further than they maybe should have gone, or as far as they were good enough to go. Beth's inability to win a national championship runs more along the line that she doesnt have the caliber of players that those who win championships have. She is a great coach. For those of you who want to see her gone, if that happens, watch two things...how fast she gets hired elsewhere, and how the next coach performs in her place.
In 2015, LSU had the team to win it all, and they lost, not because of coaching, but because of poor base running, defense, and hitting.
With the exception of 2015, each of the times we went to OKC, Beth took the team further than they maybe should have gone, or as far as they were good enough to go. Beth's inability to win a national championship runs more along the line that she doesnt have the caliber of players that those who win championships have. She is a great coach. For those of you who want to see her gone, if that happens, watch two things...how fast she gets hired elsewhere, and how the next coach performs in her place.
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