re: 2 Reasons why JJ has become the starter.

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With JJ we lose the Oregon game and possibly WVU

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since neither of them were worth a hill of beans at doing that against Bama.

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Oh by the way, Lee finished 2-7 in that game.

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(with 2 ints) fify



I'm of the opnion as many pigskin scholars are, that JJ and the option was the defining factor in the Gump W, wth nearly 50% of the total O.

There's a lot of nonsense in your statement. You're normally more objective than this.

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Oh, & by the way. Jefferson played-TERRIBLY-throughout 2010. You're right, its not quite the same, but again, your perspective-like many in this discussion-is pretty skewed.

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Lol wut? Lee played bad in 2008, what does 2010 and 2008 have to do with this year?

How is saying we would have lost to Oregon and WV with JJ the same as saying we would have lost the Bama game with Lee? Jefferson did not play against either of those teams. Lee played and threw 2 ints in 7 passes against Bama. Kind of hard to compare the two.

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GFunk - Why do you think Les is starting JJ? Does he not see the same results as everyone in the rant or is he arriving at different conclusions?

Does Les not have enough if not more incentive to win and since he does, why is he then tinkering with the QBs?

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Don't you know? He's his boy!! His Baby!!! Les is in love with him!!! NAKED PICTURES!!! PICTURES WITH GOATS!!!! DERP, DERP, DERP

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CalTiger

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I'm not keen on starting anything. I'm keen on discussing it to make sure we're looking at things objectively, which I think many simply are not doing.

If JJ plays well against Ole Miss, Arkansas, & even Georgia & our bowl opponent, then I'll be excited & ecstatic. I always enjoy being wrong when LSU improves or has success as a result.

I'm not sure this is the right decision to ensure that, & I'm simply discussing-objectively-why I feel that's so.

But, if we use your theory, then its obvious that if Miles does subscribe to this, then he would've allowed Jarret Lee to start several games against no risk & risky opponents that he KNEW Lee gave us a better chance of winning against last year.

I've always seen Miles as a very consistent (sometimes painfully so) coach. Which is why I don't buy that Les would not reward Lee in 2010, & yet in 2011, he would do just that for Jordan.

I think he's more fair than that. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he changed in the offseason. Maybe this is new for this year. I don't think so, but I'm open minded enough to say while it could be an explanation, its not one I believe.

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Did JJ run for 291 or score all 42 points?

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No, but you were asking sustained drives, not MVP.
Lots of yards and points are usually symptoms of sustained drives, last I checked.

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Lee didn't play the whole game against NSU either.

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Neither played a full game in my recollection.

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Gives Jarrett "I'm about to make em forget about Cannon's Halloween run" Lee the opportunity to become a hero of all LSU heroes as he leads the Tigers back from the doorstep of near certain defeat in the 4th quarter of the next BCS NCG.....

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Hypothetically if I break a 40 yard run after a punt did I sustain a long drive?

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That'd be return, not rushing yards (291)

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What if most of those yards were from the running backs? How does that make JJ a better qb?

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We weren't discussing who's the better QB, but sustained drives and TOP in the WKU game. I'm not interested in what amounts to splitting hairs on QB prowess. Each has a strong suit other lacks. Lee has a better short game, JJ helps the run and somewhat more of a PA threat. Either can lead the team to victory, imo.

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JJ played a lot more than Lee did.

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I posted meaning they had fairly even PT vs respective opponents we're comparing stats against (Lee NSU, JJ WKU), not just WKU game.
It's clarified if you look back a page or 2.

Peace out, I got work to do.

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There is no deeper meaning - Lee is ONE of the players on the team and one amongst those who can/will provide leadership.

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You're trying to tell me that we could throw Stephen Rivers into QB and we'd be 10-0 right now, because it's a "team effort"? Get real. Individual players efforts and how well they play EFFECT the overall team effort. So Lee's play was a large part of our success to begin this season.

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The statement was true - everyone makes it out like Lee was solely responsible for this and we would have crumbled without him - I merely pointed out that there are multiple others who provided equal if not better results at their respective positions and the entire result is thanks to Les.

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Certainly we need to have the best possible team to help win games - the question is why would you think or assume that the rantards know more about team chemistry, game planning, player weaknesses and strengths more than Les Miles?

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So I'm going to combine your two statements here....

If the entire results are Les Miles, then that goes for losses as well and not just wins.

And it's safe to say that a decent amount of our losses have come from some poor decisions by Les (The Ole Miss debacle being a main proponent of this). And it also had to do with Jordan Jefferson's QB play. He threw 7 tds last season.....SEVEN, 10 INTs, and 18 SACKS (34 the year before)! So it's fair enough for people to reasonably question Jordan Jefferson and Les's decision to start him.

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Anyone can have favorite players/positions or plays and can debate that - certainly it is their prerogative. The issue is what gives you the qualification to question Les' decisions.
1. He ensured that despite all distractions the team is still winning comfortably.
2. He certainly knows what is required of the QBs in each game
3. He knows the skill sets of both QBs and sees them at practice and talks to them ( I am sure on a daily basis).

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1. 14-7 at half time against Western Kentucky is far from comfortable. We turned it on in the second half eventually, but that first half performance was poor and something we hadn't seen all season.

2 and 3. Basically your argument is that because he's the coach of LSU that he's going to make the best decision on everything eveytime.....

That is the most irrational and illogical argument in this whole thread.

And let me just add this, often players tear it up in practice, but get to game time and don't do the same. So don't cite practice. All that matters is how you bring it in the game, and Jordan Jefferson hasn't produced on a high level when giving game time in the last year. Like I said, 7 TDs, 10 INTs, 18 sacks

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Why the angst when someone points out that your(not specifically you but all rantards) arguments don't hold water?

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There's no angst, but don't try to debate that arguments aren't valid when they very much are. You may not agree with them, but they're very much valid arguments.