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re: 2 Reasons why JJ has become the starter.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:12 am to Mr. Wayne
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:12 am to Mr. Wayne
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No they weren't.
there were LOTS of threads about why JJ was needed against every team, every week.
you posted in them...want me to link you up?
how about a ban bet?
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But you were adamant that we did not need JJ and he should never come off the bench.
Link it up champ, never said he should NEVER come off the bench.
That's called a strawman argument, something you JJ fanbois are very fond of.
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we very likely would have lost to Bama.
really, what was the estimated maximum likelihood for that result?
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W''ll need JJ for UF's defense
I was wrong on this one.
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yep, they were.
No they weren't.
lulz, no need to link you up....you boomed yourself. pathetic.
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Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:13 am to houstontiger
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1. Our defense is one of the best in recent memory
With our defense, we can afford to play a grind it out ball control game with JJ. Les playing the odds. very good odds i would say. no style point, but an almost sure win.
I agree with you regarding our defense.
Our TOP has only been to LSU's disadvantage in two games: Bama & WKU. (Pssst...Those were the only two games JJ played the majority of the snaps for)
So at this point I'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about when you mention that we can afford to play "grind it out" with JJ since we don't grind it out, nor "control the ball" with him playing.
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2. Arkansas
Hogs have problems with a mobile/running qb. we win easily.
JJ is much more difficult for defenses to prepare for. with the way Ford and JJ running the option, I dont think many teams can stop that. And if you dont think JJ opens up our running game, check out denver broncos stats with tebow starting.
The Tebow reference just made me sure of the fact that you have no clue about what you're talking about.
It's not surprising-unfortunately-that this thread's generated 6 pages though.
All in all, I think I'd keep my takes to myself for awhile if I were you.
This post was edited on 11/18/11 at 9:18 am
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:16 am to BeeFense5
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yeah, those 2-12 60 yd passing games with 30 yds rushing against the likes of Vandy have DCs shaking in their boots.
quote:I'm sure DCs look back to Vandy 2010 to gameplan.
Are you intentionally being this obtuse?
I think this trait comes natural with The CPT.
An 8/21 effort vs UK would likewise have DCs soiling their drawers.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:16 am to GFunk
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Our TOP has only been to LSU's disadvantage in two games: Bama & WKU. (Pssst...Those were the only two games JJ played the majority of the snaps for)
boom.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:18 am to GFunk
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Our TOP has only been to LSU's disadvantage in two games: Bama & WKU. (Pssst...Those were the only two games JJ played the majority of the snaps for)
So, at this point, I'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about when you mention that we can afford to play "grind it out" with JJ since we don't grind it out, nor "control the ball" with him playing.
You can't use facts in this thread unless they actually can be used to support JJ as the starter.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:22 am to Deathrider
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You can't use facts in this thread unless they actually can be used to support JJ as the starter.
I don't support any player over another. I support playing the player that gives LSU the best chance at victory.
Any objective observer of what this offense looks like with #12 at QB & with #9 at QB and the differneces between them will answer that #12 gives your offense the best chance to win.
I'm not downing anyone. I'm just stating facts. I'm not a JJ hater, or a JLee lover. The statistics pile up on only one side of the equation.
Ufortunately for folks who are annoyed by seeing reality, previous results, & statistical facts being ignored, Les Miles is on the other side of the equation.
It is what it is. But I just don't see how folks can objectively point out that #9 gives us a better offense than #12. That statement can only be made disingenously.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:23 am to CptBengal
quote:Then just use the 2011 stats......witout the sample size disclaimer.
Justme is the one pullin out stats from '10.
you know the ones you were so heartily agreeing with....so do you have a problem with them, or only when it doesn't suit your point?
Odd last year you and your ilk weren't using that disclaimer when campaigning for Lee. Talk about cherry pickin'.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:25 am to CptBengal
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there were LOTS of threads about why JJ was needed against every team, every week.
you posted in them...want me to link you up?
how about a ban bet?
You said there were multiple threads stating that JJ should start immediately. Link me up where I said he should start over Lee and I will take that ban bet. I still haven't said it. So ban yourself. You won't because you never back up your bullshite.
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really, what was the estimated maximum likelihood for that result?
You have played this out enough. No one knows exactly. That why I said very likely. Lee shite his pants. I wish he came out and lit them up, but he did the exact opposite of that. He almost cost us our chance at the National Championship. And I still think he should start for us.
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pathetic
Perfectly explains your presence on this sight. You have admitted to trolling to me outright to get a rise out of the diehard JJ supporters. I could at least laugh at you then. But it is so obvious now that it was never the case. You actually believe the nonsense that you continually post.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:27 am to houstontiger
quote:This statement is routinely made and yet, I've seen no evidence whatsoever that it is true. Especially not over the course of multiple games.
JJ is much more difficult for defenses to prepare for.
It is very true that a mobile QB CAN be much more difficult to prepare for. But that is only the case if defenses genuinely fear his passing.
For the most part, in the last two years, teams have taken the, "we dare you to throw" approach to defending JJ and with rare exception, they've been successful with it. People then come flying in here on the exception days saying, "see, I told ya!!!"
It's silly. The guy is a passing catastrophe. But, yes, there have been occasions when his mobility has been helpful. OCCASIONS!!!!
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:27 am to CptBengal
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Our TOP has only been to LSU's disadvantage in two games: Bama & WKU. (Pssst...Those were the only two games JJ played the majority of the snaps for)
boom.
Really. You don't think the our defense letting WKU hold the ball the enitre first half had anything to do with that. Might be the weakest boom in the history of TD.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:31 am to CptBengal
No boom. Just a little fizzle. TOP against Alabama was because it was Alabama. TOP against WKU was because the defense was so sluggish and allowed WKU to hold the ball for most of the first half. When the offense did get the ball, they did pretty good.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:31 am to GFunk
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But I just don't see how folks can objectively point out that #9 gives us a better offense than #12. That statement can only be made disingenously.
Which is why I never make that statement. Lee should start. The only case JJ has to start is if we play Bama again. Because Lee seems incapable of not destroying our chances against a defense like that. (I think there is only one in college football). I honestly believe JJ played as much as he did against WKU in case we get the rematch. He needs to be ready to run the offense if we see Bama again, because Lee's abilities do not seem to match up against them.
This post was edited on 11/18/11 at 9:33 am
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:35 am to GFunk
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Our TOP has only been to LSU's disadvantage in two games: (Pssst...Those were the only two games JJ played the majority of the snaps for)
quote:Wow, are you insinuating Jefferson gave Gumps the extra possessions via 2 INTs?
Bama
eta :boom:
quote:As posted earlier, Jefferson wasn't on defense, and I really didn't see where the QB play was detrimental to TOP.
& WKU.
This post was edited on 11/18/11 at 9:39 am
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:36 am to Mayhawman
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As posted earlier, Jefferson wasn't on defense, and I really didn't see where the QB play was detrimental to TOP.
Sustaining long drives?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:40 am to Mr. Wayne
quote:JJ ran the base offense against WKU. Not "his" offense at all. Not a single option play. It certainly wasn't the offense he would be running against Bama again. Not disagreeing actually.
honestly believe JJ played as much as he did against WKU in case we get the rematch. He needs to be ready to run the offense if we see Bama again, because Lee's abilities do not seem to match up against them.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:41 am to GFunk
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I don't support any player over another. I support playing the player that gives LSU the best chance at victory.
If I may add yet another QB group -The "We are winning now and I don't care who starts"
- I am equally scared (irrationally perhaps) when JL starts to throw and when JJ holds it for too long.
Would I like an offense like OSU - sure but till that day (QB/Coach/playcalling) arrives, I am happy to have Les tinker with the QBs and ensure that the supporting cast of OL/WR/RBs , D and ST help us win the day.
If we win ala UT 2010 with mistakes , then perhaps the doubts will creep into my mind but till then the 10 soon to be come 11-0 season is really enjoyable.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:42 am to TigerNlc
First drive hurt by penalties or they would have scored. Second drive 2 play drive. 3rd drive, fumble? 4th drive for a td. Not so bad.
This post was edited on 11/18/11 at 9:43 am
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:46 am to CalTiger
I would certainly much rather have J Lee taking majority of the snaps simply because our offense moves like a well oiled machine most of the time with him running it. While JJ has proven to be capable of getting the yards and pts to some degree, it can be painful to watch and the three and outs could eventually wear down a Defense as a result of being on the field more( I do realize how deep we are) However, what if 12 cant go because he has missed more classes than we know?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:47 am to CptBengal
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Link it up champ, never said he should NEVER come off the bench
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Jefferson IS the X factor
does X = bench?
Remember posting that one?
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I believe JL getting almost all, if not all of the snaps, puts us in the best place for that result.
How about that one?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:48 am to TigerNlc
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Sustaining long drives?
That a-hole should have never thrown the deep TD. Killed us in TOP. What was he thinking?!?
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