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1966 College Football Season
Posted on 7/4/09 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 7/4/09 at 5:11 pm
So I'm a young pup and this football season predates me by a couple decades. However I was just reading about it and saw Notre Dame and Michigan St. tied in a regular season game and split the National Championship. However Alabama went undefeated without loss nor tie but was not awarded the Championship.
Is there any old school football fan who can explain how all this worked out . Sounds like an interesting season.
Is there any old school football fan who can explain how all this worked out . Sounds like an interesting season.
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Posted on 7/4/09 at 5:11 pm to marchballer
Oops should have posted in the SEC Board. Sorry boys. But if anyone here knows that would be appreciated too.
Posted on 7/4/09 at 5:25 pm to marchballer
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Notre Dame and Michigan St. tied in a regular season game and split the National Championship. However Alabama went undefeated without loss nor tie but was not awarded the Championship.
Before my time, but if the #1 and #2 teams play each other and tie, why should they drop?
Posted on 7/4/09 at 5:36 pm to H-Town Tiger
Based on Wiki Alabama was preseason Number 1 never lost nor tied but got jumped by both ND and Mich St. and finished the season 3rd.
1966 College Football Season on Wiki
1966 College Football Season on Wiki
Posted on 7/4/09 at 5:43 pm to H-Town Tiger
Prejudice of the eastern and mid west sportswriters. Plain and simple. Alabama had been #1 the 2 previous seasons and the writers were not going to let it happen again. Even if it meant putting a team with a tie ahead of an undefeated bama.
Posted on 7/4/09 at 5:48 pm to marchballer
The game was very good and was called the game of the Century for years.
Since 2000, the game has started to take some hits from football fans. This is due to the game being replayed on ESPN many times and is very slow an mostly boring.
There are a few stars on the field for ND and Michigan St. But it is nothing like the stars you would see in a Miami Fl. vs FSU game 1988-2001, Florida 2000-now vs. LSU game 2000-now, Texas vs OU game 2000-now.
That Alabama team of 1966 was a better overall team and was loaded for that time in talent.
Since 2000, the game has started to take some hits from football fans. This is due to the game being replayed on ESPN many times and is very slow an mostly boring.
There are a few stars on the field for ND and Michigan St. But it is nothing like the stars you would see in a Miami Fl. vs FSU game 1988-2001, Florida 2000-now vs. LSU game 2000-now, Texas vs OU game 2000-now.
That Alabama team of 1966 was a better overall team and was loaded for that time in talent.
Posted on 7/4/09 at 8:50 pm to tigger1
Many Alabama people believe that it was due to civil unrest and lack of integration in the South. It's before my time so I don't have an opinion on that. I do know that Alabama football was well established by 1966, so the theory may hold water. Believe it or not, Alabama carried the torch for southern football at that time. Many SEC fans actually liked and respected Bama and the Bear as a representative of southern pride. Times sure have changed.
Posted on 7/4/09 at 11:01 pm to LSU92
The ND-MSU game that year was billed as one of the many games of the century and the two teams were loaded with next level stars, coached by Ara Parseghian and Duffy Daugherty. The year before Alabama had stolen an NC in the Orange Bowl when every team ahead of them lost and they beat Nebraska that night and were voted #1 the next day.
The MSU-ND game was the "tie one for the Gipper" game when Ara ran out the clock to protect the tie at the end of the game because he knew that the Irish would get #1 in the polls if they did not lose. ND did not play bowls at that time so when they won the rest of their games the NC was decided. I think that after the players on all three teams had finished their NFL careers that Michigan State (Bubba Smith etc) had the best collection of players that year.
I had a field pass for the Alabama-Nebraska Sugar Bowl that year and watched both teams warm up and play the first quarter up close. NE was huge, fat, and slow. Alabama was very small and quick and just annihilated the Huskers 34-7 if I recall. Ray Perkins and Ken Stabler were stars of the game. It was the last time Bob Devaney would ever show up with a slow Nebraska team on the big stage. The next time they played Alabama for the NC in the post season he brought a team loaded with speed from California and the usual beef from the Midwest and killed Alabama to finish their second NC in a row. They had won the NC the year before by squeaking by LSU 17-15 (may have been 17-13??) in the Orange Bowl.
The MSU-ND game was the "tie one for the Gipper" game when Ara ran out the clock to protect the tie at the end of the game because he knew that the Irish would get #1 in the polls if they did not lose. ND did not play bowls at that time so when they won the rest of their games the NC was decided. I think that after the players on all three teams had finished their NFL careers that Michigan State (Bubba Smith etc) had the best collection of players that year.
I had a field pass for the Alabama-Nebraska Sugar Bowl that year and watched both teams warm up and play the first quarter up close. NE was huge, fat, and slow. Alabama was very small and quick and just annihilated the Huskers 34-7 if I recall. Ray Perkins and Ken Stabler were stars of the game. It was the last time Bob Devaney would ever show up with a slow Nebraska team on the big stage. The next time they played Alabama for the NC in the post season he brought a team loaded with speed from California and the usual beef from the Midwest and killed Alabama to finish their second NC in a row. They had won the NC the year before by squeaking by LSU 17-15 (may have been 17-13??) in the Orange Bowl.
Posted on 7/4/09 at 11:10 pm to pttigris
In those days Bryant would take running backs and make down linemen out of them. Times sure have changed, lol.
Posted on 7/5/09 at 1:43 am to miketiger
1966 Notre Dame:
All Americans:
Nick Eddy, HB 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1
† Jim Lynch, LB 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
‡ Tom Regner, G 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Alan Page, DE 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 1
Peter Duranko, DT 3 1 1 2
Kevin Hardy, DT 2 2 3 1 1 1
Jim Seymour, E 3 2 2 3 1
Paul Seiler, T 3 2
George Goeddeke, C 3 2 3 3
Tom Shoen, DB 3 2
Larry Conjar, FB 3 3 3 1
Terry Hanratty, QB 3 3
NFL draft:
Paul Seiler Guard 1(12) 12 New York Jets
† Alan Page Defensive End 1(15) 15 Minnesota Vikings
Thomas Regner Guard 1(23) 23 Houston Oilers
Larry Conjar Running Back 2(20) 46 Cleveland Browns
Jim Lynch Linebacker 2(21) 47 Kansas City Chiefs
George Goeddeke Center 3(6) 59 Denver Broncos
Tom Rhoads Defensive End 3(17) 70 San Francisco 49ers
Allen Sack Linebacker 16(15) 408 Los Angeles Rams
All Americans:
Nick Eddy, HB 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1
† Jim Lynch, LB 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
‡ Tom Regner, G 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Alan Page, DE 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 1
Peter Duranko, DT 3 1 1 2
Kevin Hardy, DT 2 2 3 1 1 1
Jim Seymour, E 3 2 2 3 1
Paul Seiler, T 3 2
George Goeddeke, C 3 2 3 3
Tom Shoen, DB 3 2
Larry Conjar, FB 3 3 3 1
Terry Hanratty, QB 3 3
NFL draft:
Paul Seiler Guard 1(12) 12 New York Jets
† Alan Page Defensive End 1(15) 15 Minnesota Vikings
Thomas Regner Guard 1(23) 23 Houston Oilers
Larry Conjar Running Back 2(20) 46 Cleveland Browns
Jim Lynch Linebacker 2(21) 47 Kansas City Chiefs
George Goeddeke Center 3(6) 59 Denver Broncos
Tom Rhoads Defensive End 3(17) 70 San Francisco 49ers
Allen Sack Linebacker 16(15) 408 Los Angeles Rams
Posted on 7/5/09 at 8:44 am to tigger1
It is a little before my time also, but I watched a special on the Bear and I believe this was the one that was due to race issues. SEC schools didn't play schools with black players and south was not looked well upon by people. So Alabama got screwed. From what it said the Bear wanted to play these schools, but Alabama and the fans didn't.
I may have some things messed up in here not sure. Just kind of what I understood.
I may have some things messed up in here not sure. Just kind of what I understood.
Posted on 7/5/09 at 8:47 am to pttigris
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Bubba Smith
He was from Texas correct? They talked about him on that show on HBO also.
Posted on 7/5/09 at 8:55 am to crowbar832001
Bama would have crushed either team. This is similar to tOSU-Michigan game between the 2 best and then making tOSU play Florida.
How'd that work-out?
How'd that work-out?
Posted on 7/5/09 at 1:33 pm to marchballer
Here's a side to that season. The same weekend ND played MSU, we played Tulane. As a "foreign" student I was left hanging around the campus. About noon I happened across another non-La. native buddy. We started talking about going to N.O. for the game. Not too much excitement as LSU was number 101 and Tulane # 102 in the nation. But as all the female coeds had departed, it started to seem like a good idea. The next deterent was the fact that no tickets were to be had either..small problem. In a 1959 Chevy DelRay coupe (some of these words you'll have to research) and with $20 bucks and a Shell card, we started out Highland for N.O. In those days, the only radio station you could get on your am (and that's all there was) was WWL. Fortunately, they carried the ND game. Comments like , "Oh, the spectacle...80,000 fans here to see this game...Number 1 vs Number Two"..Well, it ended when Ara baby, afraid of losing the ranking, kicked a field goal to tie 10-10.
On to Tulane Stadium, we walked for a couple of hours in search of tickets. Only had one offer of a $2 student pass for the same $20 we had between us. Long story, but we managed to get inside, but most unusal was cops at each walkway..we later discovered tickets had been thrown over the fence to fans outside, counterfeited, etc. That night to see #101 play #102 was the largest NIGHT crowd in history. Estimates were well over the 80,000 spectacle up Nawth...some say over 90,000. People on the field, in aisles.
One other note, following our showing at ND in 1970, I had many a otherwise uneducated (yankee) fan say they didn't realize how er, um, "competitive" we were. In those days we (and all southern football) never got the exposure in any media source that we do today. Alabama carried the flag!
No less than Beaver Falls, Pa. native Joe willy Namath once took on the "Eastern establishment press" with the thought that La. Tech "could beat half the teams up North"...he was lamenting the fact that respect was not forthcoming from the media of the day. ( No doubt the forebearers of one ESPN)..lol
On to Tulane Stadium, we walked for a couple of hours in search of tickets. Only had one offer of a $2 student pass for the same $20 we had between us. Long story, but we managed to get inside, but most unusal was cops at each walkway..we later discovered tickets had been thrown over the fence to fans outside, counterfeited, etc. That night to see #101 play #102 was the largest NIGHT crowd in history. Estimates were well over the 80,000 spectacle up Nawth...some say over 90,000. People on the field, in aisles.
One other note, following our showing at ND in 1970, I had many a otherwise uneducated (yankee) fan say they didn't realize how er, um, "competitive" we were. In those days we (and all southern football) never got the exposure in any media source that we do today. Alabama carried the flag!
No less than Beaver Falls, Pa. native Joe willy Namath once took on the "Eastern establishment press" with the thought that La. Tech "could beat half the teams up North"...he was lamenting the fact that respect was not forthcoming from the media of the day. ( No doubt the forebearers of one ESPN)..lol
Posted on 7/5/09 at 1:58 pm to pttigris
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The year before Alabama had stolen an NC in the Orange Bowl when every team ahead of them lost and they beat Nebraska that night and were voted #1 the next day.
NC's were awarded before the bowl games then, I thought?
eta- AP polled writers after the bowls in 1965, resulting in what was perceived at the time as a better championship selection (Alabama) than UPI's (Michigan State). After 1965, the AP voted before the bowls for two years, permanently returning to a post-bowl vote in 1968.
This post was edited on 7/5/09 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 7/5/09 at 3:05 pm to Lithium
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Bama would have crushed either team. This is similar to tOSU-Michigan game between the 2 best and then making tOSU play Florida.
How'd that work-out?
SECtardation at it finest.
Posted on 7/5/09 at 4:17 pm to H-Town Tiger
In 1965 Michigan State was UPI national champs and Alabama was AP national champs. A cousin of mine was at the game 1966 ND-MSU game. He was a freshman at Michigan State. He said it was awesome and deserves the hype as game of the century. What made it a great game was that the last time 1 and 2 at the end of the season was in 1945 or so.
You figure since ND and MSU were 1 and 2 going into the game Alabama wasn't screwed over.
Ara Parseghian rightfully has been criticized for not playing to win the game. I think some sportswriter or someone says the "I hate Notre Dame" movement began because of this game and Ara's refusal to play for a win and how they ended up National Champs.
Someone wrote a book on the game, called something like "The Greatest Game of them all".
I also think that I've read this game featured more future NFL-AFL players than any other game in the history of college football and had more 1st and 2nd team All-Americans than any other game in college football history.
You figure since ND and MSU were 1 and 2 going into the game Alabama wasn't screwed over.
Ara Parseghian rightfully has been criticized for not playing to win the game. I think some sportswriter or someone says the "I hate Notre Dame" movement began because of this game and Ara's refusal to play for a win and how they ended up National Champs.
Someone wrote a book on the game, called something like "The Greatest Game of them all".
I also think that I've read this game featured more future NFL-AFL players than any other game in the history of college football and had more 1st and 2nd team All-Americans than any other game in college football history.
Posted on 7/5/09 at 4:50 pm to marchballer
I think it was because ESPN hates LSU ...
Posted on 7/5/09 at 8:09 pm to rtgr
I remember the season well. Notre Dame played a really soft schedule in those days, and Michigan State was easily the class of the Big 10 (which was generally known as the Big 2 and the Other 8), an unusual year because Ohio St. and Mich. generally ruled this weak league. Mich. St. was built primarily on two extraordinary players recruited out of the Golden Triangle area of Texas (Beaumont, Port Authur, Port Neches), Bubba Smith (a huge extremely athletic defensive end) and George Webster, another phenominal athlete (especially considering his size)from the same area. ND was led by QB Terry Hanratty (Mr. Fling according to the media--especially Lindsey Nelson) and receiver Jim Seymour (Mr. Cling) and RB Nick Eddy (who injured his foot getting off the train in East Lansing and never played in the game). MSU led 10-0 in the second half but became really conservative allowing ND to tie the score. Late in the game ND had the ball with a chance to move into field goal range and kick a GW field goal but instead chose to run out the clock (and avoid any possibility of a turnover) because they knew the fawning media pollsters would select them over MSU and Alabama--after all, ND is ND, the most beloved and storied football team on the country.
Alabama avoided and almost certain loss at Knoxville when it trailed the Vols 10-0 late in the 4th Qtr but rallied to take the lead 11-10 (2 point conversion successful). With the clock running out Tennessee drove deep into Alabama territory and had a short field goal to win. The Vols missed the FG, allowing Alabama remained undefeated. Some pollsters cited Alabama's near loss to Tennessee as the reason for voting for ND (sometimes called "Voter Dame" in those days). Alabama went on to absolutely destroy Nebraska in the Sugar Bowl, but the media had already annointed ND its NC. In those days the national media not only loved ND and the Big Ten but also detested all SEC teams--none more so than Bear Bryant's Alabama teams.
Alabama avoided and almost certain loss at Knoxville when it trailed the Vols 10-0 late in the 4th Qtr but rallied to take the lead 11-10 (2 point conversion successful). With the clock running out Tennessee drove deep into Alabama territory and had a short field goal to win. The Vols missed the FG, allowing Alabama remained undefeated. Some pollsters cited Alabama's near loss to Tennessee as the reason for voting for ND (sometimes called "Voter Dame" in those days). Alabama went on to absolutely destroy Nebraska in the Sugar Bowl, but the media had already annointed ND its NC. In those days the national media not only loved ND and the Big Ten but also detested all SEC teams--none more so than Bear Bryant's Alabama teams.
Posted on 7/5/09 at 9:10 pm to TigerBill2
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and Michigan State was easily the class of the Big 10 (which was generally known as the Big 2 and the Other 8), an unusual year because Ohio St. and Mich. generally ruled this weak league.
Your ignorance is both amusing and sad. Big ten champions from 1959 to 1967.
1959 Wisconsin
1960 Iowa and Minnesota*
1961 Ohio State*
1962 Wisconsin
1963 Illinois
1964 Michigan
1965 Michigan State*
1966 Michigan State*
1967 Indiana, Minnesota and Purdue
Minnesota, Ohio State, and Michigan State won national championships by ap, upi, or another organization.
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