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re: 12 men on the field.. hold on a minute...

Posted on 11/24/09 at 12:46 pm to
Posted by arrakis
Member since Nov 2008
21168 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 12:46 pm to
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Is this across-the-board? If an offense is set, for argument's sake, and the left tackle comes off the line a couple of steps before the snap, is there a scenario where that shouldn't be called?

If I understand what you are saying..."comes off the line a couple of steps", it would either be a FS or defense causing a FS.

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I'm just wondering if the latitude is across the board or it's on a sliding scale versus the actual infraction.

Conferences have their philosophy of what should and should not be called.

Here's an example:
QB legally throws the ball away OOB. The left tackle is 10 yards down field. There is no flag for IDF
Posted by Come2Conquer
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
4794 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 12:48 pm to
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If I understand what you are saying..."comes off the line a couple of steps", it would either be a FS or defense causing a FS.


Nah, I meant that if the left tackle, pre-snap, came out of his stance, is there any discretion for calling something like that?
Posted by Kajungee
South ,Section 6 Row N
Member since Mar 2004
17033 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 12:57 pm to
So to throw an added wrinkle in the saga, with 12 men on the field, a spike might have been the approprite call.

Posted by The Gunslinger
Member since Jul 2009
408 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:00 pm to
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No way you would have gotten the FG team on field and snapped the ball in one second.
Purdue/Minnesota 2001 disagrees
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
33771 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:03 pm to
so arrakis...

team is lined up and ready to snap on ready for play with 1.2 and they snap on the whistle - live play correct?
Posted by The Gunslinger
Member since Jul 2009
408 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:03 pm to
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So to throw an added wrinkle in the saga, with 12 men on the field, a spike might have been the approprite call.
No, that was not an appropriate call even with 12 men on the field. It was a desperation move. No way you get this call in the SEC at Ole Miss with 1 second left in the game.

And as I asked before, that's our game plan? Hoping we get a penalty? Hoping we can catch the other team in a screw up?

Desperation because we weren't ready and in total confusion. And it absolutely reeks of an excuse made up after the fact. No mention of 12-men on Saturday at all.
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:04 pm to
I'll tell you all what would have "worked" under the current rules in college involving the replay.

Let's say LSU kicked the ball and got a penalty for delay of game.(hypthtcal) This would ahve had them in the same situation, just 5 yds further back...NO good except for the fact it would have given a stoppage in play and given teh booth/Miles to ask the referee to check how much time should have been on the clock.

Since it seems EVERYONE is under the opinion that LSU's reciever hit the ground with at least 2 seconds, probably 3, LSU would have then been able to spike it and still have a second left on the clock.

That booth review of time left was never given a chance at reivew because of the pace of the developements on the field.

What really would ahve been nice is to have a timeout left, but at LSU, that isn't an option since we burn them all avoiding delay of game penalties because of CROWTON's inability to run an offense with personnel in a timely manner.

We have to burn our timeouts to run an offensive scheme that doesn't work anyway! Kinda like the cat chasing his tail, except we are doing it on the freeway at rush hour!
Posted by arrakis
Member since Nov 2008
21168 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:15 pm to
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team is lined up and ready to snap on ready for play with 1.2 and they snap on the whistle - live play correct?

You want to rewrite that where it makes sense? 1.2 what...seconds on the clock?
Posted by JETigER
LSU 2011 National Champions
Member since Dec 2003
7081 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:18 pm to
if nutt had 12 men on the field he is just as much of a dufus as miles
Posted by colemast
Member since Sep 2006
20 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:25 pm to
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CROWTON's inability to run an offense with personnel in a timely manner.


Footballcoachscoop.com is reporting the whole Offense coaching gang is history after Saturday...

But that's only a rumor.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
33771 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:28 pm to
1.2 seconds on the clock......
Posted by 62zip
One Particular Harbor
Member since Aug 2005
6870 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:28 pm to
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Since it seems EVERYONE is under the opinion that LSU's reciever hit the ground with at least 2 seconds, probably 3, LSU would have then been able to spike it and still have a second left on the clock.


A couple of things you need to take into consideration here - the clock that they show on TV is not the game clock and the clock does not instantly stop as soon as the player is down - the clock stops when it is killed.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:29 pm to
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does anyone know if there were actually 12 men on the field or not?


Ole Miss had more than 11 on the field for a good bit of the 27 seconds. It looked like they were trying to get a FG unit out there too...they had coaches pulling people off, etc.
Posted by arrakis
Member since Nov 2008
21168 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:38 pm to
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1.2 seconds on the clock......


If the offense legally snaps the ball before the game clock expires, the ball is live. Do you even have to ask the question?
Posted by jmore14
Member since Nov 2009
5 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:57 pm to
Everyone is missing the biggest part of this. If he truly thought there were 12 men on the field (which I think is BS, covering his @ss), then why spike it. He would get a free play. We get a TD, decline pen., we don't, try again. I know it's easy to monday morning quarterback this, but it's not that hard to figure out.
Posted by jmore14
Member since Nov 2009
5 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 2:06 pm to
1 second left on the clock does not mean literally there is 1 second left. The chain gang had to run from midfield to the 6 yard line. Haven't watched the replay, but it seems like it was well over the 12 secs LES says he needs to get a FG. I have seen plenty of games where the ball is snapped with 1 sec left. This BS excuse that 1 sec is not enough time to run a play doesn't fly. If thats the case then just end the game at 2 or 3 secs. Why have a 1.
Posted by Kajungee
South ,Section 6 Row N
Member since Mar 2004
17033 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 2:07 pm to
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He would get a free play


No play had been called for this scenario.
the referee is setting the ball, clock starts on the set. Quick what do you do ?

If you know 12 men are on the field, spike it and get the call.

If you think about it for one second, play never happens, game over.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
33771 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 2:08 pm to
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If the offense legally snaps the ball before the game clock expires, the ball is live. Do you even have to ask the question?


well everyone is saying(including some in the media...) that there was not enough time on the clock..... to run ONE PLAY.. but we both know that is BS.. if and it's a big IF.. they are ready.....
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
33771 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 2:10 pm to
I know as a clock operator I left 1 second on the clock.. ONCE.. and got ripped the whole way home by the rest of the crew.. and the team did in fact run a play... with..

1 second left... incomplete pass...
Posted by thelsutigers
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2009
3482 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 2:11 pm to
Does it really matter now. He could of had a play ready, he could of called time out. If he really didn't expect there to be another play after the hail mary then why did he have his headset on after the pass?!
This post was edited on 11/24/09 at 2:18 pm
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